STFU. Are you stupid on purpose? TALKING ABOUT PRONOUNS is not what is stopping "liberation". You are creating the problem by not using people's pronouns- you literally admit to not seeing yourself using people's pronouns. JUST USE PEOPLES PRONOUNS. you don't need to understand neo-pronouns to respect them. and FYI not being misgendered isnt about "personal validation" it is a serious and harmful action to misgender someone.
I don't misgender people, but you're wrong, it is about personal validation. Like you're literally validating someone's personal gender identity by calling them correct pronouns. Misgendering someone is about as serious and harmful as calling someone a fat fuck, it's mean and can probably do real emotional damage, but it's not the same as cops executing black men for reaching in their pocket or the military drone striking a hospital.
Please just log off and reflect or something. Something does not need to kill you to be important. Not having your correct pronoun used may not bomb or shoot you but it does serious mental harm- being invalidated isolates you and harms you. Affirmation at no cost to you is harmless. Why would it be harmful for you to just use pronouns as people indicate they want you to. Even if you don't get it.
First of all, I literally started that comment with "I don't misgender people" so idk why people keep saying "just use the pronouns". I do.
Second, my problem is that western leftists care way more about the "serious mental harm" of people in the global north over the absolute physical slaughter of people in the global south, or even people in marginalized communities in the global north. The social gatekeeping is an exercise in extreme privilege that is severely fucking grim.
You can't compare two distinct issues like this by doing a well what about this also serious issue. No one here disagrees western leftists should help the global south. Why can you also not work on your own biases? You really seem to be disregarding the identities of people as unserious and a waste of time.
I don't need to work on personal biases lol. I'm not a transphobe. I don't think they're invalid, I don't believe in biological essentialism, I respect people's pronouns and I stand up for trans people when they're disrespected. I have been for a while, starting with 10 years ago when I made a scene at a diner after they kicked out a trans woman for using the women's room. People keep trying to read transphobia out of a genuine concern for the navel-gazing of the western left.
And I'm sorry, but people's identities being validated is objectively less important than people's physical bodies being protected. That doesn't mean you can't care about both, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that there is a social gatekeeping where you create teams where "if you abide by all these social rules you can be on our side, otherwise fuck you". We will spend endless days talking about pronouns but people get bored talking about things that are 100% essential for any liberators movement to address.
It isn't navel-gazing to have a discourse on gender, or neo-pronouns, or mandatory vs recommended vs available pronoun use. It's actually important work that helps us build an inclusive community. If you are free from bias then just step aside if you don't want to get involved in it. Why come on to de-rail the discussion by making the point that there are in your opinion more important things to talk about. Go work on protecting people's physical bodies instead of complaining that people are interested in validation of people's identities- which btw is also a preventative measure of allyship. Any liberation movement must have space for social rules to at least protect people from being done harm. This is essential- so don't smear it by complaining about "deer pronouns" which if you are capable of respecting you should just do and stop there.
It's both of them lmao. Scroll up they are competing for most stupid in the world. Lad commented- I responded- Bread responded to my comment with more whining.
I mean, not really. Literally earlier today I failed to manage the same. I got pissed off and made a post on main about this pronoun stuff and the title was not respectful.
we all can't manage sometimes. What matters is that we pay attention to ourselves and our actions, and be open to failure and fucking up, and learning the lessons you need to grow.
Because if you don't self-crit (or at least listen to your comrades criticisms) you end up saying transphobic shit on chapo.chat, I guess
Mhmm- I'm mostly talking about people (and you can find quite a few examples) who are 10 comments into defending their choice to actively disrespect people. No one is perfect- some people are going out of their way rn to be stupid tho.
STFU. Are you stupid on purpose? TALKING ABOUT PRONOUNS is not what is stopping "liberation". You are creating the problem by not using people's pronouns- you literally admit to not seeing yourself using people's pronouns. JUST USE PEOPLES PRONOUNS. you don't need to understand neo-pronouns to respect them. and FYI not being misgendered isnt about "personal validation" it is a serious and harmful action to misgender someone.
I don't misgender people, but you're wrong, it is about personal validation. Like you're literally validating someone's personal gender identity by calling them correct pronouns. Misgendering someone is about as serious and harmful as calling someone a fat fuck, it's mean and can probably do real emotional damage, but it's not the same as cops executing black men for reaching in their pocket or the military drone striking a hospital.
Please just log off and reflect or something. Something does not need to kill you to be important. Not having your correct pronoun used may not bomb or shoot you but it does serious mental harm- being invalidated isolates you and harms you. Affirmation at no cost to you is harmless. Why would it be harmful for you to just use pronouns as people indicate they want you to. Even if you don't get it.
First of all, I literally started that comment with "I don't misgender people" so idk why people keep saying "just use the pronouns". I do.
Second, my problem is that western leftists care way more about the "serious mental harm" of people in the global north over the absolute physical slaughter of people in the global south, or even people in marginalized communities in the global north. The social gatekeeping is an exercise in extreme privilege that is severely fucking grim.
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You can't compare two distinct issues like this by doing a well what about this also serious issue. No one here disagrees western leftists should help the global south. Why can you also not work on your own biases? You really seem to be disregarding the identities of people as unserious and a waste of time.
I don't need to work on personal biases lol. I'm not a transphobe. I don't think they're invalid, I don't believe in biological essentialism, I respect people's pronouns and I stand up for trans people when they're disrespected. I have been for a while, starting with 10 years ago when I made a scene at a diner after they kicked out a trans woman for using the women's room. People keep trying to read transphobia out of a genuine concern for the navel-gazing of the western left.
And I'm sorry, but people's identities being validated is objectively less important than people's physical bodies being protected. That doesn't mean you can't care about both, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that there is a social gatekeeping where you create teams where "if you abide by all these social rules you can be on our side, otherwise fuck you". We will spend endless days talking about pronouns but people get bored talking about things that are 100% essential for any liberators movement to address.
It isn't navel-gazing to have a discourse on gender, or neo-pronouns, or mandatory vs recommended vs available pronoun use. It's actually important work that helps us build an inclusive community. If you are free from bias then just step aside if you don't want to get involved in it. Why come on to de-rail the discussion by making the point that there are in your opinion more important things to talk about. Go work on protecting people's physical bodies instead of complaining that people are interested in validation of people's identities- which btw is also a preventative measure of allyship. Any liberation movement must have space for social rules to at least protect people from being done harm. This is essential- so don't smear it by complaining about "deer pronouns" which if you are capable of respecting you should just do and stop there.
I think you responded to the wrong person, this isn't the person who said they don't see themselves using people's pronouns
Sorry!! My bad I meant to @Bread_In_Baltimore who had that shit take. Literally typed too fast.
You did, its just that Bread and Lad are two different posters and I think you merged their shit takes into one super shit take
unless my boy whom I love @Bread_In_Baltimore also said he cant see himself using people's pronouns.
say it ain't so
It's both of them lmao. Scroll up they are competing for most stupid in the world. Lad commented- I responded- Bread responded to my comment with more whining.
damn, you're right :deeper-sadness:
I see you being a decent person tho. Keep on keeping on!
I just want my friends and comrades treated with respect
Insane how many people cannot manage the same.
I mean, not really. Literally earlier today I failed to manage the same. I got pissed off and made a post on main about this pronoun stuff and the title was not respectful.
we all can't manage sometimes. What matters is that we pay attention to ourselves and our actions, and be open to failure and fucking up, and learning the lessons you need to grow.
Because if you don't self-crit (or at least listen to your comrades criticisms) you end up saying transphobic shit on chapo.chat, I guess
Mhmm- I'm mostly talking about people (and you can find quite a few examples) who are 10 comments into defending their choice to actively disrespect people. No one is perfect- some people are going out of their way rn to be stupid tho.
No I getcha, and those are people who do not practice self-crit