Except there is a material basis for being homosexual and transgender, hence why many ruling Communist parties are reexamining their lines on the issue.
So if there's a material basis for using a neopronoun that we discover between now and ecosystem collapse, are you gonna immediately fix your bad takes?
I mean yeah, people are starving, dying from genocides, being kept as chattle slaves and being summarily executed on the streets but all anyone wants to talk about is fucking pronouns. Pretty maddening.
"people can only care about one thing at a time. I'm very smart" Like c'mon i have no stake in this but that's a conservative argument, you can do better
Boxing out the vast majority of people because you demand adherence to radical social values isn't going to lead to a coalition that can stop rising fascism.
I'm not being transphobic. I reject biological essentialism and I've been standing up for trans people irl for over a decade now. I'm saying that demanding adherence to a strict set of social rules as a gatekeep to the left is stupid and counterproductive.
This bullshit right here is why the western left will always be a fringe group of lifestylists that affect zero material change. You want to paint me as a fucking transphobe because I don't think gender dysphoria is the same thing as wanting to be called a deer. Like I can't even imagine how few migrant workers or people in the hood you would allow into your movement. But that doesn't really matter if its about you and not the people right?
yep, I'm sure if it weren't for those pesky transes you'd have all those migrant workers and "people from the hood" (jfc) wrapped up in a huge movement and the revolution would be here tomorrow.
or perhaps, you'd find their struggles inconvenient and attack them for holding you to the solidarity you pretend to.
The vast majority of trans people aren't demanding social purity of everyone in order to be a part of the left. Most trans folks are comrades, not wreckers.
Idk if you've ever talked to them but they explicitly make the class distinction between black folks from the section of the city that the white power structure cordoned then off in and the black folks who grew up outside of that environment. At least most of the folks I know would probably put it a little less politely.
But sure, try to act like that's a racist thing to say. I guess the countless people I've been friends, coworkers and coconspirators with were just setting me up to get wokescolded years later.
Stupidpol are fucking idiots and anti-marxist. They don't believe in the concept of white privilege or even imperialism really. They're literally just workerist idealists that want to pick and choose things they like for their ideology. Most of them aren't even revolutionary, they think socialism is when Bernie Sanders is president.
why on earth should anyone give a fuck what you think about one kind of privilege while you're busy doing your damnedest to rub people's faces in another?
Fuck you. This is such an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. You're seriously comparing people who want to be called deer to the descendants of chattle slaves that are routinely summarily executed in the streets?
And so it's not the same fucking thing because I'm not saying they have to leave or even that they can't ask to be called deer. I'm saying that making it a gatekeep that everyone has to put their fucking pronouns on their account, even when many say they're uncomfortable with it, and demanding that everyone conform to your social values in order to be a part of the struggle is counterproductive wrecker shit. This is 100% wrecker shit, it's done nothing but wreck.
Idk why you keep saying that I want you out of the movement, but I want to know do you want to box out colonized people that are devout Muslims or Catholics that might be turned off by the demand that they adhere to your social values? How about people like those that said they struggle with issues of gender and don't want to be forced to choose pronouns or none/any? You're making everything about you. I'm explicitly not talking about what I feel. Because I understand that it isn't about me, and even if I felt uncomfy or targeted for something I can't control I'd still fight for liberation.
And I'm glad you were enriched on your white savior trip. I'm sure the local peruvian laborers were glad you were there to work for free instead of them having to work for pay. They were probably bigots anyway
Comparing an online pissing match about profile settings to the legacy of chattel slavery and Jim Crow is an extremely uncool, EXTREMELY white lib thing to do.
When "leftism" is definitely about liberating the masses and definitely not about validating your own personal quirks
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Except there is a material basis for being homosexual and transgender, hence why many ruling Communist parties are reexamining their lines on the issue.
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So if there's a material basis for using a neopronoun that we discover between now and ecosystem collapse, are you gonna immediately fix your bad takes?
Decolonizing the mind is a prerequisite for decolonizing the land.
You're not colonized
comrade
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I mean yeah, people are starving, dying from genocides, being kept as chattle slaves and being summarily executed on the streets but all anyone wants to talk about is fucking pronouns. Pretty maddening.
"people can only care about one thing at a time. I'm very smart" Like c'mon i have no stake in this but that's a conservative argument, you can do better
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Don't forget all those diehard materialists who want to post the nth thread about China good and tankie/anarchist infighting. Very good posting.
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No you haven't. And I do leave the house that's why I don't tell people to call me a fucking deer
You're no comrade of mine acting like this
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Yeah 4,000,000,000 people are heckin toxic m*les instead of woke deerkin, the only truly oppressed minority
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Idk homie I've seen all the horseshit people have been talking about today, seemed pretty serious.
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Just keep putting up increasingly alienating barriers to entry to the left, I'm sure it won't end with us all rounded up and executed.
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Boxing out the vast majority of people because you demand adherence to radical social values isn't going to lead to a coalition that can stop rising fascism.
Radical social values like mutual aid and being nice.
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Yeah "shitposting" is when you say stuff like "death to (YESALL) men". Get that shit out of here.
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If you felt targeted by #YesAllMen, maybe you need to do some reflection.
oh my lord, are we going to #NotAllMen unironically now?
keep going. don't stop there. tell us what you really think.
What the fuck are you trying to insinuate
that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Why speak in idioms? Just fucking say what you're thinking.
I want you to continue being openly transphobic so there's a nice record of it.
I'm not being transphobic. I reject biological essentialism and I've been standing up for trans people irl for over a decade now. I'm saying that demanding adherence to a strict set of social rules as a gatekeep to the left is stupid and counterproductive.
mocking someone's pronouns is explicitly transphobic. you aren't immune to it because "you know trans people"
This bullshit right here is why the western left will always be a fringe group of lifestylists that affect zero material change. You want to paint me as a fucking transphobe because I don't think gender dysphoria is the same thing as wanting to be called a deer. Like I can't even imagine how few migrant workers or people in the hood you would allow into your movement. But that doesn't really matter if its about you and not the people right?
yep, I'm sure if it weren't for those pesky transes you'd have all those migrant workers and "people from the hood" (jfc) wrapped up in a huge movement and the revolution would be here tomorrow.
or perhaps, you'd find their struggles inconvenient and attack them for holding you to the solidarity you pretend to.
The vast majority of trans people aren't demanding social purity of everyone in order to be a part of the left. Most trans folks are comrades, not wreckers.
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sorry I won't be quiet and be put in your box. why don't you go right back to mocking people's pronouns and circlejerking about solidarity.
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Idk if you've ever talked to them but they explicitly make the class distinction between black folks from the section of the city that the white power structure cordoned then off in and the black folks who grew up outside of that environment. At least most of the folks I know would probably put it a little less politely.
But sure, try to act like that's a racist thing to say. I guess the countless people I've been friends, coworkers and coconspirators with were just setting me up to get wokescolded years later.
"Read Capital" vs. "tick a box". :thinkin-lenin:
go back to stupidpol.
Stupidpol are fucking idiots and anti-marxist. They don't believe in the concept of white privilege or even imperialism really. They're literally just workerist idealists that want to pick and choose things they like for their ideology. Most of them aren't even revolutionary, they think socialism is when Bernie Sanders is president.
unfortunate for you, they otherwise seem so much your type.
also, talking about white privilege in the middle of this thread is the height of comedy.
No, they don't. The only thing stupidpol is right about is the western left's obsession with the self rather than the proletariat writ large.
And how is it ironic to bring up white privilege? Like what does that have to do with anything?
why on earth should anyone give a fuck what you think about one kind of privilege while you're busy doing your damnedest to rub people's faces in another?
Well now that I can see that you can bend over backwards, why not see if you can keep it going and end upright.
it's only offensive if it makes any sense
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Fuck you. This is such an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. You're seriously comparing people who want to be called deer to the descendants of chattle slaves that are routinely summarily executed in the streets?
And so it's not the same fucking thing because I'm not saying they have to leave or even that they can't ask to be called deer. I'm saying that making it a gatekeep that everyone has to put their fucking pronouns on their account, even when many say they're uncomfortable with it, and demanding that everyone conform to your social values in order to be a part of the struggle is counterproductive wrecker shit. This is 100% wrecker shit, it's done nothing but wreck.
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Idk why you keep saying that I want you out of the movement, but I want to know do you want to box out colonized people that are devout Muslims or Catholics that might be turned off by the demand that they adhere to your social values? How about people like those that said they struggle with issues of gender and don't want to be forced to choose pronouns or none/any? You're making everything about you. I'm explicitly not talking about what I feel. Because I understand that it isn't about me, and even if I felt uncomfy or targeted for something I can't control I'd still fight for liberation.
And I'm glad you were enriched on your white savior trip. I'm sure the local peruvian laborers were glad you were there to work for free instead of them having to work for pay. They were probably bigots anyway
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Comparing an online pissing match about profile settings to the legacy of chattel slavery and Jim Crow is an extremely uncool, EXTREMELY white lib thing to do.
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