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Did that end up being explained? Like, it seemed like a marketing stunt, but I have no idea what for.
Maybe? It came out in 2017, but I guess "temporally distant and totally ineffective guerrilla marketing" is peak capitalism.
i cant believe that the "set your pronouns" struggle session was bigger than the "China good" one and let to a bunch of pro and anti threads plus a bunch of peope getting banned, you have done great chapos Mao would be proud :chairman:
smh one billion more people just became victims of communism because they had to click a button
silly me, the revolution would have been here tomorrow if not for the pronoun police chasing off the hwite working class
Wtf lol, as a queer person from sub Saharan Africa, can I pls kindly tell that person to fuck off lol
I regret that I have but one upvote to give to this extremely powerful post.
As a leftist from the developing world in sub Saharan Africa, everyone pls set the pronouns tag, it takes 5 seconds and it helps others feel more comfortable, that is all
also the china good ended with Enver_Hoxha an another one banned, i have seen like 10 people ban over the pronouns plus the implementation of neo-pronouns to pacify a side of the debate, i cant wait for the next struggle session
You cant get close to BASED_BALL posting prowess, he is now the indisputed secretary general of leftist infighting in the entire chat
As someone who uses a native language that is non-gendered, today's struggle session has been wild. :FrogPog:
I was excited to open this thread seeing that it had 150 comments in it. But of course its all comments fighting over fucking pronouns.
I humbly request that yall make better posts!
I'm listening to a podcast about my field, and it's amazing how naive techbros can be. "But Facebook can't be evil cause they are bound by the market"... I miss being this naive and innocent.
My parter is a hair away from being radicalized but then they started listening to to some neoliberal climate change podcast about how “geopolitical forces make action on climate change impossible most of the time” and now I’m worried they’ll fall into the same “but the market” shit
I think you should still be able to radicalise them, if you start talking about what these geopolitical forces are and why it's capitalism
True, I don’t think all hope is lost. I think I was starting to get through by asking “well why do those forces exist?” And sort of working backwards from there. We talked a little bit about how things like free trade creates economic incentive to fuck up the environment (ty Naomi Klein) but I’m always worried I’m just not articulate enough to explain things concisely so I’m never sure if I’m getting through
You can always recommend podcasts and articles about the things you struggle with explaining. Especially citations needed since they often debunk specific buzzwords like "economic freedom" and "free trade". And behind the Bastsrds since it shows how a lot of aspects of the current system came to be thanks to horrible people that do horrible things. As well as stuff how free trade isn't really free and usually is just the global north extracting stuff from the global south and so on and on.
Rev Left also did an excellent episode on Antonio Gramsci: Hegemony, Organic Intellectuals, & Italian Fascism.
I'm still upset from yesterday. So much fucking blatant cruelty and invalidation directed at my comrades and friends, by people I thought were my comrades and friends.
That's all, that's the post. This isnt to shit stir, I'm just actually devastated by what a shitshow yesterday was and won't be around for a bit
Nothing infuriates me more than some well meaning liberal being like "Here's this serious topic" such as indigenious peoples day or gay rights and then end it with "go vote". Your bourgeoisie candidate is not gonna do shit about any of this, lmao. Biden does not give 2 shits about gay and/or indigenous people and unless the whole senate drops dead of covid (🤞) the Supreme Court is already gonna be 6-3 conservative before I'll even be able to cast a ballot.
Also extra fun when the person lecturing you about how biden will save gay rights has been in opposite gendered relationships their whole life and lives in Canada. (this person could be bi tbf, and while bi erasure/discrimination is real, it's not like this person's gay related rights are in any danger in any way. Unlike me, a bi/pan person who lives in the united states, is gay married, and also doesn't have my nonbinary gender federally recognized)
And the person who posted to VOTE on indigenous peoples day voted for fucking Warren in the primary lmao.
Like why the fuck would I take these peoples vote shamey arguments seriously if they have no skin in the game and it feels like they just want to use vulnerable people as a political football? If you're really on my side, why aren't you doing more to help me than telling me to cast a vote and then leaving me alone for 4 years?
Like fucking fuck off with this disingenuous shit. If you want to help gay rights in america, PayPal some rocks to some radical stonewall queers. If you want to help indigenous people, maybe actually fucking listen to the tribe(s) near you and send them COVID relief or help with climate action. I guaranfuckingtee which white man will be colonizing the white house in january will not make a lick of difference to them, especially compared with actual direct action. Just, please just fucking stop using people in pain as tokens and then discarding us after. We can tell you don't actually care because you only talk about this every 4 years and don't actually ever DO anything.
a post from a very not mad ledditor:
Guantanamo isn't a concentration camp, as much as you want it to be.
From Encyclopedia Britannica:
Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial.
Guantanamo bay is a prison, the camps in which Uyghurs are held are concentration camps.
and flatly dismiss a laundry list of examples of U.S. imperialism
Half of the items on the list were mass killings from civilians, or internal issues. I also have no problem criticising America, I only have an issue when they compare it to China, the worst human rights abuser in the world.
It's all whataboutism and projection, you're the one who sounds like a drone.
I've had half a dozen chapos brigade the comments, spouting the same bullshit about China being a perfect country, and I'm the drone?
Where did the remnants of CTH go? I assume they scampered into their own website the_donald did? Your only influence is brigading buried reddit threads, you're never going to implement your shitty ideals, and there will be no revolution. I'm happy to live in a neoliberal shithole, if it means I get to spite genocide deniers (and that's coming from a market socialist).
Libs are (often without fully understanding) aggressive atrocity deniers. The average American current is denial of a heinous list of atrocities, and anyone who's politically invested in the status quo in the US is going to become the American equivalent of those Turkish guys who turn red when you mention Armenians the second you mention basically anything America did in more than abstract terms or connect any of it as being intentional or knowingly committed.
They also unironically believe all the "freedom" type propaganda horseshit, and don't understand the full extent of how that stuff means nothing and has never meant anything, because in nice white lib world nothing you do ever puts you in meaningful conflict with the American state.
"This is a call to action" sent out through a medium that's inaccessible to anyone who doesn't pay 15 dollars a month to watch one of like 9 tv shows.
who is downvoting eating ass?
being anti-ass eating is reactionary.
The only people that seem to be mad are the ones making a big deal about flair and than telling people to eat their ass.
and it's like come on, i don't think we need to be told to eat ass, jeeze, do they think that little of us.
Can you not see that continually incorrectly using deer pronouns is continuing the "struggle session"?
You're actively pushing people away from this site. People who are your allies.
Do with that information what you will.
I'm not sure that taking an active glee at the prospect of pushing people away from leftism is the best approach, maybe.
If you read "leftism" as "all of leftism" then you have bigger problems than a dropdown menu on a shitposting site.
Yeah, I do, which is why I take serious things seriously and laugh at the absurd. This is the latter.
That use of pronouns literally makes no sense. It's the equivalent of saying "Her, eat my ass". I hope this was helpful advice, because you were obviously confused. Unless, you were trying to make fun of deer pronouns, but that obviously isn't the case, because that would be transphobic...
If by "are we still doing this struggle session?" you mean "Is Papanurgel still purposefully antagonizing trans people?" then the answer is yes.
The whole thing is made more ridiculous because @flirty_fawn is a gender abolitionist, and doesn't even think gendered pronouns make any sense. Tbh, I do find it funny that y'all are so accepting of "she" and "her", as if those actually mean something, but "doe" is cRaZy. It's a pretty conservative and close-minded viewpoint.
When "leftism" is definitely about liberating the masses and definitely not about validating your own personal quirks
Except there is a material basis for being homosexual and transgender, hence why many ruling Communist parties are reexamining their lines on the issue.
So if there's a material basis for using a neopronoun that we discover between now and ecosystem collapse, are you gonna immediately fix your bad takes?
I mean yeah, people are starving, dying from genocides, being kept as chattle slaves and being summarily executed on the streets but all anyone wants to talk about is fucking pronouns. Pretty maddening.
"people can only care about one thing at a time. I'm very smart" Like c'mon i have no stake in this but that's a conservative argument, you can do better
Don't forget all those diehard materialists who want to post the nth thread about China good and tankie/anarchist infighting. Very good posting.
No you haven't. And I do leave the house that's why I don't tell people to call me a fucking deer
Yeah 4,000,000,000 people are heckin toxic m*les instead of woke deerkin, the only truly oppressed minority
Idk homie I've seen all the horseshit people have been talking about today, seemed pretty serious.
Just keep putting up increasingly alienating barriers to entry to the left, I'm sure it won't end with us all rounded up and executed.
Boxing out the vast majority of people because you demand adherence to radical social values isn't going to lead to a coalition that can stop rising fascism.
Yeah "shitposting" is when you say stuff like "death to (YESALL) men". Get that shit out of here.
If you felt targeted by #YesAllMen, maybe you need to do some reflection.
I want you to continue being openly transphobic so there's a nice record of it.
I'm not being transphobic. I reject biological essentialism and I've been standing up for trans people irl for over a decade now. I'm saying that demanding adherence to a strict set of social rules as a gatekeep to the left is stupid and counterproductive.
mocking someone's pronouns is explicitly transphobic. you aren't immune to it because "you know trans people"
This bullshit right here is why the western left will always be a fringe group of lifestylists that affect zero material change. You want to paint me as a fucking transphobe because I don't think gender dysphoria is the same thing as wanting to be called a deer. Like I can't even imagine how few migrant workers or people in the hood you would allow into your movement. But that doesn't really matter if its about you and not the people right?
yep, I'm sure if it weren't for those pesky transes you'd have all those migrant workers and "people from the hood" (jfc) wrapped up in a huge movement and the revolution would be here tomorrow.
or perhaps, you'd find their struggles inconvenient and attack them for holding you to the solidarity you pretend to.
The vast majority of trans people aren't demanding social purity of everyone in order to be a part of the left. Most trans folks are comrades, not wreckers.
sorry I won't be quiet and be put in your box. why don't you go right back to mocking people's pronouns and circlejerking about solidarity.
Idk if you've ever talked to them but they explicitly make the class distinction between black folks from the section of the city that the white power structure cordoned then off in and the black folks who grew up outside of that environment. At least most of the folks I know would probably put it a little less politely.
But sure, try to act like that's a racist thing to say. I guess the countless people I've been friends, coworkers and coconspirators with were just setting me up to get wokescolded years later.
Stupidpol are fucking idiots and anti-marxist. They don't believe in the concept of white privilege or even imperialism really. They're literally just workerist idealists that want to pick and choose things they like for their ideology. Most of them aren't even revolutionary, they think socialism is when Bernie Sanders is president.
unfortunate for you, they otherwise seem so much your type.
also, talking about white privilege in the middle of this thread is the height of comedy.
No, they don't. The only thing stupidpol is right about is the western left's obsession with the self rather than the proletariat writ large.
And how is it ironic to bring up white privilege? Like what does that have to do with anything?
why on earth should anyone give a fuck what you think about one kind of privilege while you're busy doing your damnedest to rub people's faces in another?
Well now that I can see that you can bend over backwards, why not see if you can keep it going and end upright.
Fuck you. This is such an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. You're seriously comparing people who want to be called deer to the descendants of chattle slaves that are routinely summarily executed in the streets?
And so it's not the same fucking thing because I'm not saying they have to leave or even that they can't ask to be called deer. I'm saying that making it a gatekeep that everyone has to put their fucking pronouns on their account, even when many say they're uncomfortable with it, and demanding that everyone conform to your social values in order to be a part of the struggle is counterproductive wrecker shit. This is 100% wrecker shit, it's done nothing but wreck.
Idk why you keep saying that I want you out of the movement, but I want to know do you want to box out colonized people that are devout Muslims or Catholics that might be turned off by the demand that they adhere to your social values? How about people like those that said they struggle with issues of gender and don't want to be forced to choose pronouns or none/any? You're making everything about you. I'm explicitly not talking about what I feel. Because I understand that it isn't about me, and even if I felt uncomfy or targeted for something I can't control I'd still fight for liberation.
And I'm glad you were enriched on your white savior trip. I'm sure the local peruvian laborers were glad you were there to work for free instead of them having to work for pay. They were probably bigots anyway
Comparing an online pissing match about profile settings to the legacy of chattel slavery and Jim Crow is an extremely uncool, EXTREMELY white lib thing to do.
