Venezuela furious at Brazil's Brics snub
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Venezuela criticises Brazil's decision to veto its admission to the Brics group of emerging economies.
  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    ive been telling you so. lula is equivalent to biden at best, just letting the pigs run rampant and taking the moral high ground for not helping them out.

    i dont think we could call him "left wing" for a while now. he hasnt been leftist for the better part of a couple of decades. he does pay some awesome lip service when he is inclined to.

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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      2 months ago

      Yea I think he got a lot of goodwill bc his opposition was fucking bolsonaro, but I mean his admin has had some not great interactions with indigenous people in the Amazon and tons of other things of that sort, like this thing with Venezuela.

      Another example of “I wish this lib was as cool as right wingers make them out to be” bc all the Brazilian gusanos that my mil was friends with think he’s basically Stalin

    • Fishroot [none/use name]
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      2 months ago

      I think a lot of Lula is the second coming of Stalin is basically the politically impoverished US media brain rotting sip back into the periphery.

      Lula is not an extremist he is probably closer to a 60s soc dem politicians. The re-distributive policies that his party did managed to increase a middle-class, but the political education was not put in focus within the population. The same middle class that was created would eventually breed his opposition support.

      • Redcuban1959 [any]
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        2 months ago

        Lula is the second coming of Stalin

        sicko-wistful

        Lula is not an extremist he is probably closer to a 60s soc dem politicians.

        I think Lula openly said he was inspired by FDR, China and the Eastern European Bloc (which he visited during the 1980's). So Lula is basically a socdem with good foreign policy most of the time, as long as it doesn't interfer with Lula or his party's internal political ambitions. Maduro is not a radical/extremist either, he pretty much is a moderate inside the Chavista movement, he knows how to be pragmatic, which is why some leftist are critical of him.

        The re-distributive policies that his party did managed to increase a middle-class, but the political education was not put in focus within the population. The same middle class that was created would eventually breed his opposition support.

        True, but the middle class always hated him tbh. They only voted for him because they couldn't stand Bolsonaro (2022) or FHC (2002) anymore.

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        i mean he was part of the pink wave, so theres that. i think the biggest problem is that he already extracted all the concessions he possibly could out of the ruling class and all thats left is watching they take it all back because he essentialy demobilized the budding leftists movements we had.

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Pretty shitty of lula really, you can tell Lula decided to punish Maduro over not cooperating with Brazil about the election results.

    • Redcuban1959 [any]
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      2 months ago

      Another user here talked about this, there were some other reasons. Most of them are selfish, I think the main one was that the second round of the municipal elections, Lula probably did not go to the meeting and vetoed Venezuela and Nicaragua (Actually I could not find articles about Nicaragua though, and someone said it was not even the final list, it was just a pre-list) so his own party and coalition did not have more problems because of Lula's meeting with Putin and Maduro (They did ok in this election, I think they just had a big defeat, but to be honest it was a difficult election for Lula's candidate to win. A pleasant surprise was the victory of the Workers Party in Fortaleza and in the South, before a very pro-Bolsonaro region, but which has a large presence of the left due to rural workers), the Workers Party having an unexpected runoff against the Liberal Party (Bolsonaro's party) in the Center-West, a region that the Workers Party was never strong.

        • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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          2 months ago

          Intermediation is good for power but not good for economics. Mutual thriving is objectively better for economics along every measure. Intermediation only works when you're doing either a colonialism or a neocolonialism, both of which the global south is soundly dismantling. For Brazil to decide to intermediate an entire continent economically is to be engaged in theory from the early 1900s.

          I think the geopolitical considerations are more useful to us in analyzing the situation. The USA is starting to threaten Brazil over joining BRICS. The USA is also rabidly anti-Venezuela. I think the veto fits far more neatly into this dynamic where Brazil does not yet wish to create a strong schism with the USA and so is maintaining some level of rapport to avoid some Monroe Doctrine shenanigans from sending high velocity projectiles towards Lula's brain.

  • kristina [she/her]
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    2 months ago

    What's up with Lula?

    Lula was scheduled to travel to Russia for the summit, but cancelled the trip after injuring his head in an accident at home on Saturday.

    bro got concussed