Matt has said in a stream that the only way a podcaster can actually be a grifter is if you pay for the podcast and there's no podcast. "Grifter" is way overused to mean "someone I don't like who makes money".
Yes. Delivering a product is typically a good defense, although I do feel like certain right wing projects are grifts in the more expansive sense.
Like, TPUSA delivers a product, but it's not "converting the young", it's just fooling the old. I'd say that's a grift - a product is being delivered, but it's certainly not the one promised?
True. If people are supporting a podcast on patreon while thinking that what they're doing is helping to make it more prominent so that it can convert a different demographic that it's not actually appealing to, that would be a grift.
There has to be some bad intent on the part of the grifter, too. If TPUSA knows it's appealing just to boomers and loser college Republicans, but it sells itself to right-wing money as a pipeline for a broader segment of youth, that's a grift because they know they're not providing what they claim to be providing, but are cashing in off of it anyway.
It's an extreme stretch to apply this logic to a podcast that isn't really selling itself to anyone as anything specific. And we should be treating self-described socialists out there creating openly-socialist media with good faith, anyway.
Idk how many of these people take themselves “seriously”. They may think they’re doing “some good” (which yeah, is fucking debatable) but I don’t think they’re “serious people”.
Also it’s a spectrum not a binary. You can kinda be a true believe but also wanna make some paper at the same time.
Nah I'm fine with grifter. A grifter is someone who pretends to be a serious person but is really just trying to make a quick buck.
Sure, but it's another term that's often misused. People will call anyone (for example, Bernie) a grifter now.
Matt has said in a stream that the only way a podcaster can actually be a grifter is if you pay for the podcast and there's no podcast. "Grifter" is way overused to mean "someone I don't like who makes money".
Yes. Delivering a product is typically a good defense, although I do feel like certain right wing projects are grifts in the more expansive sense.
Like, TPUSA delivers a product, but it's not "converting the young", it's just fooling the old. I'd say that's a grift - a product is being delivered, but it's certainly not the one promised?
True. If people are supporting a podcast on patreon while thinking that what they're doing is helping to make it more prominent so that it can convert a different demographic that it's not actually appealing to, that would be a grift.
There has to be some bad intent on the part of the grifter, too. If TPUSA knows it's appealing just to boomers and loser college Republicans, but it sells itself to right-wing money as a pipeline for a broader segment of youth, that's a grift because they know they're not providing what they claim to be providing, but are cashing in off of it anyway.
It's an extreme stretch to apply this logic to a podcast that isn't really selling itself to anyone as anything specific. And we should be treating self-described socialists out there creating openly-socialist media with good faith, anyway.
Idk how many of these people take themselves “seriously”. They may think they’re doing “some good” (which yeah, is fucking debatable) but I don’t think they’re “serious people”.
Also it’s a spectrum not a binary. You can kinda be a true believe but also wanna make some paper at the same time.