You're aware that under Trump, US funding for the shelling of Donbass increased and several disarmament treaties from the Cold War were openly voided by the US, leading to a massive increase in tensions between the USA and Russia? Trump was at least as much of a factor in setting the stage for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing humanitarian catastrophy as any other US president since Bush sr., and was in fact worse than most in this regard. He was in no way less hawkish than the other mass murderers you yanqui pigs elect all the time, he was just more erratic about it and pretended to personally like Putin to pander to his base that sees him as some kind of bastion of white cishet supremacy. If you buy into the right-wing lie that Trump is some kind of anti-imperialist because he smiles more when he shakes Putin's hand in a photo op, you're actually carrying water for the GOP, who systematically co-opts anti-imperialist sentiment and never delivers on that promise, but only offers more of the Amerikan state terrorism that so many people even in the US are becoming fed up with.
Noooo! But Trump made a mockery of the presidency! He was rude and crass! How can I, an American Liberal put my head in the sand about my country's major issues and warmongering if our president is obnoxious?! I'm forced to face the reality of my country! Don't you know how much pain and suffering that causes me?!
Trump was at least as much of a factor in setting the stage for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing humanitarian catastrophy as any other US president since Bush sr., and was in fact worse than most in this regard.
Um... yes, this is exactly my point. Trump helped set the stage for the invasion in all the ways you describe (leaving treaties which enabled Russia to ramp up - at least threats if not actual working nuclear weapons), calling for a NATO exit, withholding aid from Ukraine. I don't follow your logic here, are you happy that the war started?
Edit: I think I might get it now. Trump and other US presidents are responsible for the war, but not Putin. Is that correct?
oh ffs, stop your obsession with people being pro Putin, i'm a trans woman, that pig is making the existence of people like me outright illegal, why would i support him? Just stop being a child that can only view geopolitics through the lens of moral judgements.
Why would i be happy that the USA and Russia are waging a proxy war just two countries away from me? This shit will likely go on for at least another decade if it unfolds like similar conflicts, it could destabilize an entire region next to my home country, it has massively decreased our standard of living due to inflation and there's already arms for Ukraine showing up in the hands of nazi terrorists and criminal organizations. I do not have the Amerikan luxury of viewing this war as a cost-effective way to kill eastern Europeans, my point is that "you guys are pro Trump and pro Putin" is an entirely nonsensical talking point because these people aren't allies and have never been.
You should be happy because if Ukraine did not fight back, if it did not receive western supplies, the war would be fought in your country, and in mine. And trust me, you do not want Russians in your country (but if you're just two countries away and older than 12, you know that already).
these people aren't allies and have never been.
Ah, yes, billionaire oligarhs are totally not allies. No, they each only have the best interests of their working people at heart. And these two specially, their chat without transistors was just about football, Trump getting billions in loans from Russian state banks in just good business, and that Manafort guy was just a coincidence.
if Ukraine did not fight back, if it did not receive western supplies, the war would be fought in your country, and in mine
How? The Russian sphere of influence has been shrinking for 30 years with next to no pushback until Crimea, they can barely occupy their direct neighbors, they took a decade to beat down the insurgency in fucking Chechnya and you're assuming they'd march on Berlin if we wouldn't gift cluster bombs to neonazis? Even during the Cold War, when the Red Army was at the peak of its power, such widespread invasion scenarios by default included strategic nuclear bombing of half of Western Europe. Are you in the "Putin is completely insane and wants to destroy the world" camp or how else do you explain your scenario?
BTW, i'm glad Soviet (not Russian) troops actually where in my country once, but that may be because i don't prefer the Nazis over the USSR.
Not just the last.... Say 3 presidential administrations, if not 4 somehow; but also every head of NATO in that time given the blatant violations of the Minsk Accords. Putin is turning the place into a charnel house; but it's the response of an animal backed into a corner-- which is understandable when an existential threat intends to surround and sunder you.
But you wouldn't know that; not yet. No one's done that to you yet, and I eagerly await the day the world gets sick of our shit.
You're aware that under Trump, US funding for the shelling of Donbass increased and several disarmament treaties from the Cold War were openly voided by the US, leading to a massive increase in tensions between the USA and Russia? Trump was at least as much of a factor in setting the stage for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing humanitarian catastrophy as any other US president since Bush sr., and was in fact worse than most in this regard. He was in no way less hawkish than the other mass murderers you yanqui pigs elect all the time, he was just more erratic about it and pretended to personally like Putin to pander to his base that sees him as some kind of bastion of white cishet supremacy. If you buy into the right-wing lie that Trump is some kind of anti-imperialist because he smiles more when he shakes Putin's hand in a photo op, you're actually carrying water for the GOP, who systematically co-opts anti-imperialist sentiment and never delivers on that promise, but only offers more of the Amerikan state terrorism that so many people even in the US are becoming fed up with.
Noooo! But Trump made a mockery of the presidency! He was rude and crass! How can I, an American Liberal put my head in the sand about my country's major issues and warmongering if our president is obnoxious?! I'm forced to face the reality of my country! Don't you know how much pain and suffering that causes me?!
Um... yes, this is exactly my point. Trump helped set the stage for the invasion in all the ways you describe (leaving treaties which enabled Russia to ramp up - at least threats if not actual working nuclear weapons), calling for a NATO exit, withholding aid from Ukraine. I don't follow your logic here, are you happy that the war started?
Edit: I think I might get it now. Trump and other US presidents are responsible for the war, but not Putin. Is that correct?
oh ffs, stop your obsession with people being pro Putin, i'm a trans woman, that pig is making the existence of people like me outright illegal, why would i support him? Just stop being a child that can only view geopolitics through the lens of moral judgements.
Why would i be happy that the USA and Russia are waging a proxy war just two countries away from me? This shit will likely go on for at least another decade if it unfolds like similar conflicts, it could destabilize an entire region next to my home country, it has massively decreased our standard of living due to inflation and there's already arms for Ukraine showing up in the hands of nazi terrorists and criminal organizations. I do not have the Amerikan luxury of viewing this war as a cost-effective way to kill eastern Europeans, my point is that "you guys are pro Trump and pro Putin" is an entirely nonsensical talking point because these people aren't allies and have never been.
It's not a proxy war for Russia, lol.
You should be happy because if Ukraine did not fight back, if it did not receive western supplies, the war would be fought in your country, and in mine. And trust me, you do not want Russians in your country (but if you're just two countries away and older than 12, you know that already).
Ah, yes, billionaire oligarhs are totally not allies. No, they each only have the best interests of their working people at heart. And these two specially, their chat without transistors was just about football, Trump getting billions in loans from Russian state banks in just good business, and that Manafort guy was just a coincidence.
How? The Russian sphere of influence has been shrinking for 30 years with next to no pushback until Crimea, they can barely occupy their direct neighbors, they took a decade to beat down the insurgency in fucking Chechnya and you're assuming they'd march on Berlin if we wouldn't gift cluster bombs to neonazis? Even during the Cold War, when the Red Army was at the peak of its power, such widespread invasion scenarios by default included strategic nuclear bombing of half of Western Europe. Are you in the "Putin is completely insane and wants to destroy the world" camp or how else do you explain your scenario?
BTW, i'm glad Soviet (not Russian) troops actually where in my country once, but that may be because i don't prefer the Nazis over the USSR.
Not just the last.... Say 3 presidential administrations, if not 4 somehow; but also every head of NATO in that time given the blatant violations of the Minsk Accords. Putin is turning the place into a charnel house; but it's the response of an animal backed into a corner-- which is understandable when an existential threat intends to surround and sunder you.
But you wouldn't know that; not yet. No one's done that to you yet, and I eagerly await the day the world gets sick of our shit.