I could go on and on about Adrian Zenz, his terrible methodologies; about terrorist groups trained by Isis and utilized by American for creating unrest in Xinjiang; stats about real population numbers in Xinjiang; about differences between American and Chinese anti-terror efforts regarding radical islamic terror groups; about infrastructure building in the area, investment by China; about the number of mosques per capita; about the preservation of regional identity that Xi is working towards; etc. Etc.

But, regardless, just saying that I don't believe that there is religious persecution in Xinjiang means, in their eyes, that I don't care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.

It's similar to talking about Hong Kong.

Libs use these places as tools to spread liberalism, so caring about the actual policies, people, and reality is a disadvantage to conversation.

How can I approach these subjects?

  • rozako [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I left a longer comment to someone else here, but again, as a Muslim: I think you can admit to there being gray area. Yes, there is religious persecution in XJ. Is it on the levels of concentration camps? Not at all. I think completely writing off that there is oppression kinda is silly to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Rb01CTaPM Honestly show them this and then ask them their thoughts. It is very very similar to what is going on in XJ. if they find no problem with it, say that it is similar when you get down to the facts. If they do find issues, ask them what's wrong specifically. Maybe then you'll be able to see what they find wrong about it and get to the point there. Even if someone is convinced they're not full on concentration camps, they still probably won't take lightly to the idea of re-education camps anyways, especially without knowing the horribly complex ETIM/Central Asia/China history revolving this area. And at some point, you really can't blame them for that if they have no historical context for all this (besides being taught their whole life that China Always Bad).

    • abdul [none/use name]
      1·
      4 years ago

      what brought you to a stage in life where you are defending religious persecution against people of your own faith? do you realize that if you lived there and did literally nothing wrong except be a muslim, you would have been sent to the same camps? do you think you would deserve that?

      • rozako [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        If I were in the middle of being radicalized by Salafism, i’d probably prefer to be re-educated than to go down that route. It is a lose-lose situation either way. China could handle the reeducation much better, certainly, while the West creates insane lies about what’s going on there, and all while being able to recognize that ETIM and radical Islam aren’t to be 100% defended either.

        What is your alternative? To let entire population become radicalized? To let it fester and fester, and eventually America would probably want to intervene and probably bomb the area anyways (as they already have)? This is a horribly complex situation. I recognize it as so.

        • abdul [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          The underlying premise here is broken, as the PRC doesnt care about whether you’ve been “radicalized” or not. Simply being related to Muslims or having a beard is enough to get disappeared.

          Regardless. You’re worried about salafists but the KSA is run by wahabbists and they have no problem with what China is doing, what does that tell you?

          The solution to terrorism isn’t to lock up every person you see that might be Muslim. It’s to lock up the people engaging in terrorism and leave innocent people alone.