seems like we only have ~10 years to deal with climate change. also seems like joe biden is gonna get the nom. What the fuck do we do in these next few years given that the dems are not remotely interested in dealing with climate change in any real way?
I was listening to an old Chapo the other day, and it was the one with Adam Curtis. And he was talking about how Jihadists pivoted to doing lone wolf attacks and stochastic terrorism, because in the age of US mass surveillance, any real organizing or cadre would be stamped out by a fucking drone. White supremacists started doing this too.
If the left is serious about what to do in the current moment, it will learn from our enemies. There's plenty of simple, easy things to be done that cannot be sabotaged by the Feds. They can't track individuals that don't make their plans known. No one guards those pipelines, or power grid hubs, or transportation nexuses.
Can't say anything more than that.
If that scares you, then you have to realize that mass organizing is impossible until either A, conditions get significantly fucking worse (like lack of food and water worse), or B, the state apparatus develops some kind of blind spot that allows organizing right under its nose (which seems impossible rn.)
If the left doesn't do this, it will remain an impotent, pointless online nuisance.
If you really know how bad things are, you know what has to be done. The difference between us and our enemies is that we're crippled by moral indecision and the desire to actually have a better life.
Some deep id part of our brains has internalized the idea that there's still a possibility that things will get better, so it's not worth risking ourselves to do anything about it.
But if you really believe there's no electoral solution, and you're serious about alternate power structures, there hasn't been a successful mass movement that didn't follow this decentralized, amorphous structure for about 40 years now. The State got too good at crushing them.
Someone is gonna be cope and call this "adventurism" or something. But dig through the history, prove me wrong. Meaningful organizing isn't possible in the current context. Maybe, hopefully, it will be soon. But I've yet to see it.
If you see the timeline we have left, I don't see any other solution.
Yeah, stochastic cells that do straight up sabotage and/or kidnappings and/or assassinations are the only thing I can think of that may scare people into making changes in Minecraft
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Look, at this point the fed algorithm translates Minecraft to real-life so dont even bother
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I don't want to sound like too much of an asshole here, but can anyone give me any examples of this "propaganda of the deed" kinda thing working? Perhaps there are a few occasions where you'd get one government representative over another, but has it ever REALLY pushed the needle in a way that mattered?
John Brown, for one. And there's plenty of right wing success, eg Gladio.
We're building an entirely new future here. One that isn't compatible with current industrial outputs. No one has ever attempted to do what needs to be done.
It could very possibly eat shit and fail. There basically isn't any other outcome, actually. But this is where the system is vulnerable, and it's what people are actually capable of without being smashed down by the state.
In the absence of any alternative, it doesn't matter how unlikely it is do anything. We're running out of time.
okay, sure, the right wing terrorism succeeds because terrorism breeds fear, and that fear helps the right consolidate power among a scared populace.
And John Brown simply accelerated a process that was clearly already happening. Most historians agree that without Brown, the same civil war probably just would have taken another 5 years or so to start. And sure you could say that perhaps doing isolated left-wing terrorism could accelerate a process that's already happening, but I don't see that acceleration happening in the direction we'd hope.
I'm asking specifically about left-wing terrorism ever working. And the simple answer is that it has never worked in any way that mattered. There used to be a lot more leftists in the 20th century that advocated for the propaganda of the deed, but it has fallen out of favor not because of weak knees, but because it's never shown to be effective.
Algerian revolutionaries? The Sandinistas? Fuck, Castro's army wasn't that big.
You're just looking for reasons to give up.
It "fell out of favor" because a lot of it was aimless violence, which is not what I'm advocating, and the rest were stamped out by newer state powers. The Western left has been impotent since '68 anyway. So what's the fucking counterexample?
Looking for an example of something that's never been done isn't exactly easy. We don't live in the past anymore. This is a different era.
They were sending Feds to infiltrate little old ladies with sewing circles who opposed the Iraq War. And that was fifteen years before they built this modern surveillance apparatus, and they started throwing kids into concentration camps.
So there's not going to be tens of millions of people in a working class party, or even a small vanguard in the tens or hundreds of thousands. That's not possible anymore. Attempts to build that kind of movement get squashed in their infancy.
General strikes or alternate mutual aid networks are building towards a labor strategy that existed to exert pressure before the state was this involved and the supply chains are domestic and uncomplicated.
This is the only lever in front of us for the foreseeable future, and it's the only thing we refuse to do.
Is it really fucking because it won't do anything? Or is it because it's fucking scary, and everyone would rather just keep their head down?
oh, i misunderstood your point. I thought you were talking about terrorist cells like 17 November in Greece, not small-scale cadres.
I know very little history, but how about the assassination of Czar Alexander II? There was a lot of terrorism by socialists and anarchists in the late 1800s that may have set the stage for the Russian revolution
IIRC, the organization that killed him was literally headed by an Okhrana asset.
leftwing four lions is gonna be stupid as hell
The goal of these right wing losers was idealistic, bird brained nonsense. Bringing back the "caliphate," starting a "race war."
If you have a real concrete goal, say, shutting down shipping for two weeks. That is trivial to accomplish even for most bumbling idiots.
Don't take my word for it, US Security experts have complained about this for decades! You could shut down communications in a major US city just by putting on a hard hat and a fluorescent vest and messing around with a couple of boxes guarded only by a fucking padlock. You don't really even need to know what you're doing.
The system assumes compliance. It is not prepared for any real sabotage attempts. It's just that, thus far, those attempts have mainly been right wing psychopaths engaging in mass murder of civilians. Which they don't care about, because it's not a threat.
Are you a fed or you speaking facts, is it really that easy?
Gosh I feel scared just typing this, I'm not really interested in leftism, Mr.FBI whos reading this, Im just an ordinary guy looking for a job and a home.
the book blackCatSabotage has a ton of tips for this kind of thing for anyone wanting to learn more