the kids didn't do that though
they had to die, because there was no viable alternative, but to say they "deserved it" because of what their psychopath parents did is pretty fucked up
Eh Alexi would've grown up to be as much of an asshole as his father was. If your governmental system practices hereditary rule, that comes with consequences. Obv. I understand that killing kids is upsetting, but I personally don't feel one ounce of pity for the children of a king.
fair point, they definitely had to die, don't get me wrong, but blaming them for what their parents did, even though they almost certainly would have continued it doesn't sit well with me
i'm drunk as fuck so this may not make sense
I mean, we know what they would have done because we're analyzing them as people who would have filled a particular role in society. their heredity binds them to the role and their role ensures the awful things they would have done. it's not really about what their parents did but more what it means to be a member of the royal family in the line of succession.
That's why I've been saying that killing them was the necessary thing to do, but that it isn't something we should celebrate or be proud of. They were children. They hadn't committed any crimes yet. It was an unfortunate necessity and nothing more.
sure, I don't disagree with that take. that's probably true of all revolutionary violence, in the end - justified, necessary, and gruesome. the aesthetic celebration of it is useful for constructing identity but we should be wary of how far we take it.
The Romanovs were despicable even for monarchs, they kept serfdom in Russia until like 1860. Imo execution was more mercy than they deserved.
the kids didn't do that though
they had to die, because there was no viable alternative, but to say they "deserved it" because of what their psychopath parents did is pretty fucked up
Eh Alexi would've grown up to be as much of an asshole as his father was. If your governmental system practices hereditary rule, that comes with consequences. Obv. I understand that killing kids is upsetting, but I personally don't feel one ounce of pity for the children of a king.
almost certainly, but i'm not a fan of the whole "sins of the father" thing
but it's not sins of the father. it's the continuation of the monarchy.
fair point, they definitely had to die, don't get me wrong, but blaming them for what their parents did, even though they almost certainly would have continued it doesn't sit well with me
i'm drunk as fuck so this may not make sense
I mean, we know what they would have done because we're analyzing them as people who would have filled a particular role in society. their heredity binds them to the role and their role ensures the awful things they would have done. it's not really about what their parents did but more what it means to be a member of the royal family in the line of succession.
That's why I've been saying that killing them was the necessary thing to do, but that it isn't something we should celebrate or be proud of. They were children. They hadn't committed any crimes yet. It was an unfortunate necessity and nothing more.
sure, I don't disagree with that take. that's probably true of all revolutionary violence, in the end - justified, necessary, and gruesome. the aesthetic celebration of it is useful for constructing identity but we should be wary of how far we take it.
yes, i accept that, and the only good royal is a dead one, but the original post i replied to implied that the kids were also doing the bad things
I didn't read it that way
He probably would have died from his blood condition.