oh yeah, tell me what i want, and how i dont know what im talking about, while you apologia for neoliberals walking lockstep with facists towards right wing oblivion.
noo noo the reason you leftists cant win is because you bernie bros wont acknowledge how different and good the neoliberals are! lumping the fascists together like that is bad, you commie trotskiest syndicalist anarchist corbynites !!
Where did I say neoliberals were good, or better than fascists. I said they were fundimentally different and the way they need to be faught is different, alongside saying that the left has become unreasonably comfortable with aspects of the neoliberal world. If anything I think the broad idea that fascism is a rising thing in the US is nothing other than a distraction from the fact that the neoliberal world order as being the real enemy since it is actually a real threat to the future of human civilization in a way that Trump is not.
Neoliberalism is something that exists outside of the perview of the nation state. It's free trade settlement courts, it's the WTO striking down domestic laws that keep people employed, it's the IMF forcing austerity on a country in order to even exist with their own currency, it's the destruction of agriculture and resource extraction communities in the developing world and the destruction of manufacturing communities in the developed world. It's shipping things all over the world, destroying our environment, just to save a penny.
Yeah we have a clear disagreement over what fascism is. What you've described is a political tactic that's used by any and all authoritarian governments regardless of left/right orientation. A big part of the ML project is suppressing opposition and strict regeneration of the economy (which I tend to think is totally justified in the name of building a classless society).
Fascism is a set of ideologies and practices that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and/or historical terms, above all other sources of loyalty, and to create a mobilized national community. I think there are parts of this that do make sense in the modern context for how the US and the world operates, but I tend to think that's largely distinct from the broader neoliberal project.
What is the use of fascism for the capitalist (and in terms of Weimar Germany) and aristocratic classes?
What is it for the petit bourgeoisie?
If it is about exclusionary nationhood into which the populace transcedence isn't it in direct conflict to the capitalists in the country seeking markets and profits outside its boundaries? As in the manifest is written that in capitalism 'everything that is solid melts into air', so shouldn't the reduced definition you used here clash with that aspect of capitalism?
To make it short, what is your theoretical framework and in addition which theoretical sources do you draw your fascism theory from?
The materialist application of fascism is still different than the material conception of neoliberalism.
Within fascism, elites maintain their primary allegences to their particular nation state. The success of the fascist project will benefit the elites from their own nation at the expense of elites from other nations. Although it's usually petite bourgeois that are most directly engaged in the fascist project.
Under neoliberalism, elites reject their national identity in the desire to be globally sovergn. Their point of loyalty is to the doctrine of the free market and it's ability to reach all corners of the globe. Elites are totally uninterested in nation building within a neoliberal order and see zero problem selling their country for scraps to the highest bidder.
These two ideologies are fundimentally in conflict.
oh yeah, tell me what i want, and how i dont know what im talking about, while you apologia for neoliberals walking lockstep with facists towards right wing oblivion.
noo noo the reason you leftists cant win is because you bernie bros wont acknowledge how different and good the neoliberals are! lumping the fascists together like that is bad, you commie trotskiest syndicalist anarchist corbynites !!
fuck off.
Where did I say neoliberals were good, or better than fascists. I said they were fundimentally different and the way they need to be faught is different, alongside saying that the left has become unreasonably comfortable with aspects of the neoliberal world. If anything I think the broad idea that fascism is a rising thing in the US is nothing other than a distraction from the fact that the neoliberal world order as being the real enemy since it is actually a real threat to the future of human civilization in a way that Trump is not.
Neoliberalism is something that exists outside of the perview of the nation state. It's free trade settlement courts, it's the WTO striking down domestic laws that keep people employed, it's the IMF forcing austerity on a country in order to even exist with their own currency, it's the destruction of agriculture and resource extraction communities in the developing world and the destruction of manufacturing communities in the developed world. It's shipping things all over the world, destroying our environment, just to save a penny.
maybe youll get my point better if i add a word:
neoliberalism is globalist fascism.
all the things fascists want on a nation state level, neoliberals want on a global level. they are fascists with an international perspective.
A better question is what do you think fascism is?
the strict control of economic and social function under a centralized governmental structure which suppresses all opposition.
which is literally what neoliberalism is in the international stage.
Yeah we have a clear disagreement over what fascism is. What you've described is a political tactic that's used by any and all authoritarian governments regardless of left/right orientation. A big part of the ML project is suppressing opposition and strict regeneration of the economy (which I tend to think is totally justified in the name of building a classless society).
Fascism is a set of ideologies and practices that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and/or historical terms, above all other sources of loyalty, and to create a mobilized national community. I think there are parts of this that do make sense in the modern context for how the US and the world operates, but I tend to think that's largely distinct from the broader neoliberal project.
What is the use of fascism for the capitalist (and in terms of Weimar Germany) and aristocratic classes?
What is it for the petit bourgeoisie?
If it is about exclusionary nationhood into which the populace transcedence isn't it in direct conflict to the capitalists in the country seeking markets and profits outside its boundaries? As in the manifest is written that in capitalism 'everything that is solid melts into air', so shouldn't the reduced definition you used here clash with that aspect of capitalism?
To make it short, what is your theoretical framework and in addition which theoretical sources do you draw your fascism theory from?
The materialist application of fascism is still different than the material conception of neoliberalism.
Within fascism, elites maintain their primary allegences to their particular nation state. The success of the fascist project will benefit the elites from their own nation at the expense of elites from other nations. Although it's usually petite bourgeois that are most directly engaged in the fascist project.
Under neoliberalism, elites reject their national identity in the desire to be globally sovergn. Their point of loyalty is to the doctrine of the free market and it's ability to reach all corners of the globe. Elites are totally uninterested in nation building within a neoliberal order and see zero problem selling their country for scraps to the highest bidder.
These two ideologies are fundimentally in conflict.
lol literally calling yourself a red fascist to own the libs and you think your propagandizing is how to beat them. fucking hilarious
No you just don't know what fascism is.
i literally gave you the textbook answer of what it is. you are just a moron.