I have no way of proving it, but I'm starting to have this sneaking suspicion that a whole lot of they/thems on this site aren't enbies at all, but are cissexual dudes trying to hide the he/him now that we as a site are trying to address patriarchal brainworms. I keep thinking back to the incel thread that recently got locked, and how a bunch of the removals were of they/thems tryna make a point that we 'need to be letting incels into our spaces despite their known-and-measured toxicity no matter how many times we've been burned by those scumbags' and a little bit of minor sleuthing led me to realize that one of them wasn't even on a main account-- the first post they made being from a week ago in the "How do we grow Hexbear" thread, and boy was that post almost like foreshadowing of the shit they'd be doing seven days later.
Another poster's aggrieved incel waterbearing; don't unroll if you're already done with this subject
Another thing, people need to take seriously the other pipelines that draw potential comrades away. One serious one is the joe rogan, lonely male pipeline. They may be alienated by capitalism, but on a personal level they are looking for advice on how to maybe get a date or something. Maybe some actual concrete advice (e.g. start hitting the gym, fix your hair, hygiene, conversational tips, actual dating advice). Like Bell Hooks is all good, but we can't just tell people "here read this book, even tho most ppl in society don't really read anymore." Like some actual decent agitprop that isn't READING A FUCKING BOOK OVER 100 PAGES FOR FUCKS SAKE. Like a short tiktok, then transition into shorter youtube vids, and then maybe recommending a book. Most ppl here don't even read communist theory so why such a big ask for potential comrades to do so much investment. I hate to say it, but you gotta use some kind of sales principles like not blasting someone with a huge investment up front without giving anything in return.
The fact that the original post was 4 paragraphs of "your standards are too high", coupled with their first post being in a growth thread like they've been here all along, that leads me to believe this incel waterbearing interlocutor is an alt account; and if you're going to post regressive, effort-averse shit like this from an alt, what reason do I have to believe in any of your other bonafides? I dunno; it's one of those days where I had to fight the urge to get up in that cracker's inbox like "next time you wanna talk shit, do it on your main."
Yeah that’s crazy that it’s even a discussion, should you talk to incels in day to day and online to guide them to being a better person? sure good on you. But i feel like having incels and other types of bigots on hexbear is just so stupid. Like yeah there’s a lot of white people on here that give bad takes on poc matters but that’s very different than a full fledged white supremacist coming on here and us letting them, in hopes of “reeducation”
If someone isn't going to read a book of feminist theory because 100 pages is too much, they sure as shit are not going to put the effort in examining why they've never had a relationship lmao. Incels require serious de-programing that will involve separating them from other incels and incel communities.
Having better memes isn't going to deter them from hating women. Leftists already have more substantiated content (Star Trek is an obvious example). The Joe Rogan pipeline exists because they seek out ways to reaffirm their shitty views. They peddle shitty right-wing memes because they seek those out, too.
I think a lot of people are overly optimistic about how much can be done with white settlers. Not to be all doomer, but I don't have much faith in places like the US where incels exist to do anything other than fascism once push comes to shove.
Edit: went and had a look at the modlog. JFC Hexbear, no, we do not need to cater to the incels lmao
Edit: went and had a look at the modlog. JFC Hexbear, no, we do not need to cater to the incels lmao
yeah it was bad, but there has been a lurking handful of "we must cater to incel users" for a while now. one of them basically sexually harassed me and everything before i was a mod and nothing was done about it until that fate full day that set off the great white chauvinist purge from Hexbear about a year ago.
while i have seen the trend of they them and queer users with a blatantly misogynistic take I think it's important to note that one can both be queer and misogynistic. in the same way many bi/gay/ lesbian people have brain worms about all things sexuality many genderqueer people have misogynistic takes. Realizing something about yourself in no way educated you about the experiences of others or in any way removes the brain worms that you have.
we dont need to assume anyone is lying about being queer, its far more likely they are a queer person with chauvinistic thoughts that they never decided to work on. in fact i think there is a larger problem of people who realize that they are queer, and then go on to use the fact that they are queer as an excuse to never self crit (especially white queers)
Y'know, this is a fair point to raise; and given this point
and then go on to use the fact that they are queer as an excuse to never self crit
this does seem a lot more likely. I think seeing that kind of fuckshit come out of what feels to be a blatant alt to me, it gets my 'okay this is all bullshit' alarms to start blaring, you're right.
I have no way of proving it, but I'm starting to have this sneaking suspicion that a whole lot of they/thems on this site aren't enbies at all, but are cissexual dudes trying to hide the he/him now that we as a site are trying to address patriarchal brainworms. I keep thinking back to the incel thread that recently got locked, and how a bunch of the removals were of they/thems tryna make a point that we 'need to be letting incels into our spaces despite their known-and-measured toxicity no matter how many times we've been burned by those scumbags' and a little bit of minor sleuthing led me to realize that one of them wasn't even on a main account-- the first post they made being from a week ago in the "How do we grow Hexbear" thread, and boy was that post almost like foreshadowing of the shit they'd be doing seven days later.
Another poster's aggrieved incel waterbearing; don't unroll if you're already done with this subject
The fact that the original post was 4 paragraphs of "your standards are too high", coupled with their first post being in a growth thread like they've been here all along, that leads me to believe this incel waterbearing interlocutor is an alt account; and if you're going to post regressive, effort-averse shit like this from an alt, what reason do I have to believe in any of your other bonafides? I dunno; it's one of those days where I had to fight the urge to get up in that cracker's inbox like "next time you wanna talk shit, do it on your main."
Yeah that’s crazy that it’s even a discussion, should you talk to incels in day to day and online to guide them to being a better person? sure good on you. But i feel like having incels and other types of bigots on hexbear is just so stupid. Like yeah there’s a lot of white people on here that give bad takes on poc matters but that’s very different than a full fledged white supremacist coming on here and us letting them, in hopes of “reeducation”
If someone isn't going to read a book of feminist theory because 100 pages is too much, they sure as shit are not going to put the effort in examining why they've never had a relationship lmao. Incels require serious de-programing that will involve separating them from other incels and incel communities.
Having better memes isn't going to deter them from hating women. Leftists already have more substantiated content (Star Trek is an obvious example). The Joe Rogan pipeline exists because they seek out ways to reaffirm their shitty views. They peddle shitty right-wing memes because they seek those out, too.
I think a lot of people are overly optimistic about how much can be done with white settlers. Not to be all doomer, but I don't have much faith in places like the US where incels exist to do anything other than fascism once push comes to shove.
Edit: went and had a look at the modlog. JFC Hexbear, no, we do not need to cater to the incels lmao
yeah it was bad, but there has been a lurking handful of "we must cater to incel users" for a while now. one of them basically sexually harassed me and everything before i was a mod and nothing was done about it until that fate full day that set off the great white chauvinist purge from Hexbear about a year ago.
while i have seen the trend of they them and queer users with a blatantly misogynistic take I think it's important to note that one can both be queer and misogynistic. in the same way many bi/gay/ lesbian people have brain worms about all things sexuality many genderqueer people have misogynistic takes. Realizing something about yourself in no way educated you about the experiences of others or in any way removes the brain worms that you have. we dont need to assume anyone is lying about being queer, its far more likely they are a queer person with chauvinistic thoughts that they never decided to work on. in fact i think there is a larger problem of people who realize that they are queer, and then go on to use the fact that they are queer as an excuse to never self crit (especially white queers)
Y'know, this is a fair point to raise; and given this point
this does seem a lot more likely. I think seeing that kind of fuckshit come out of what feels to be a blatant alt to me, it gets my 'okay this is all bullshit' alarms to start blaring, you're right.
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