I didn’t read it yet is it good lol punished-bernie punished-bernie punished-bernie

    • GaveUp [love/loves]
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      1 year ago

      I have not seen a single credible source that China stole technology for microchips

      If you're talking about that singular dude who stole from ASML then that's just a dude

      A dude that rocks, might I add

      • pooh [she/her, any]
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        1 year ago

        People also forget that the Snowden leaks revealed the NSA was conducting industrial espionage against companies in Europe and China that compete against US companies.

      • Zuberi 👀@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        I believe they purchased chips from NVIDIA and AMD no? I see quite a few news stories upon a first duckduckgo but I'm not really sure what to believe on this one.

        • GaveUp [love/loves]
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          1 year ago

          Anybody can buy chips from NVIDIA and AMD, I'm not sure I follow

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I believe the suggestion is that they then reverse-engineered them and used what they learned in violation of IP law. I don't follow this, so I don't know if it's true, and I would support China doing this because fuck those companies and the US, but I believe that's the accusation.

            • GaveUp [love/loves]
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              1 year ago

              Yea I mean I know China has reverse engineered a lot of Soviet and Russian weapons exports but I don't think chips and semiconductors is the same since the difficulty is in manufacturing and not what's in it

              Companies generally have to transfer IP to even operate in China which is why the stealing IP generally doesn't even have to happen

              • charlie
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                1 year ago

                Thanks, this finally makes me gets what they're actually saying with that stupid "China is stealing IP" mouth fart.

          • Zuberi 👀@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            1 year ago

            The more I thought about it, the less it made sense; at least how it was built up in my head.

            They were just purchasing the chips, and now the USA is trying to block those purchases AND encroach all around the SEA sea while positioning China as aggressors.

            Do no Chinese firms have schematics for the chips to be made in Taiwan? Or will this just force China to design their own based on the current top-of-the-line?

            I'm not against it, I'm merely posturing questions to learn.

            • ElHexo
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              2 months ago

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            • zephyreks@programming.dev
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              1 year ago

              Semiconductors are hard.

              First you need the lithography machines (ASML). Then you need the process development (TSMC, Samsung, Intel). Then you need the EDA tools (Synopsys, Cadence).

              SMEE announced a 28nm-capable lithography machine, SMIC has a gimped 7nm process, and Huawei has EDA tools capable down to 14nm.

              However, necessity is the mother of invention. I'm expecting the next few years to see an explosion in specialized hardware coming out of Chinese companies.

    • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Nothing wrong with stealing technology unless you want to carry water for corporations and their billionaire executives. Regardless of that most of the technological progress in China comes from technology transfer agreements that they made with Western corporations for doing the manufacturing for them which is then layered on top with indigenous innovations.