That's the worst part of this, Ukraine and Russia could have come to terms at basically any point through this, but the West keeps stringing Ukraine along with promises of support/NATO membership.
But instead a few hundred thousand people are killed and maimed, cities are leveled, and the land is salted with uxo that will continue to kill and main for generations to come.
And if you ask your average Natoid they'll say it's worth it "to bleed Russia" because thats what they've been conditioned to say from birth. The West is really willing to fight to the last Ukrainian, just like they're willing to feed any of their past proxies into woodchippers.
It's all so fucking bleak, and NATO leaders seem fine with repeatedly provoking Russia and escalating the war. Not that it's anything new of course, the entire Cuban missile crisis is still framed as "those evil soviets wanted to base missiles right next to America to bypass warning systems, how dastardly! American missiles were already based in Turkey for the same reasons? Never heard of it!"
From what I understand state repression has been very thorough for a long time. They shut down all opposition media, all opposition parties, and their internal police have been hunting dissidents to be tortured, imprisoned, or killed. Many, many people have fled the country. They've also presumably got all of NATO's intelligence goons helping them out to suppress dissent.
There has been a lot of dissent and resistance the whole time. There's been a great deal of refusal to to show up at draft offices, large bodies of troops have abandoned the front to the point where the army has been offering all kinds of perks to keep soldiers in place. idk the extent or if it's organized and whatever is happening is certainly being suppressed to keep it out of the media, but there is resistance. Ukraine isn't a monolith.
Just surprising that there hasn't been enough of an organized resistance to hear anything about it. There are millions of Ukrainians who have left the country and aren't being repressed by their government who could be speaking out or organizing in some way
I think something to consider here is anyone who fled to the West would live under the threat of being returned if they went against what their receiving country wants.
I think there were pushes to round up would-be conscripts and deport them back to Ukraine to fight die. I remember reading about it either being implemented or discussed a while back.
NATOpedia says that ~3.7m conscription aged men are either dead, fled, or in hiding.
Several social media groups containing tens of thousands of members were created to alert men to the movements of mobilization officers so they could evade confrontation.
Yeah, looks like there is organized resistance. We're just not hearing about it much.
given that this war didn't start as an existential threat for ukraine in the slightest, it's very interesting how determined people are to make it one
That's the worst part of this, Ukraine and Russia could have come to terms at basically any point through this, but the West keeps stringing Ukraine along with promises of support/NATO membership.
But instead a few hundred thousand people are killed and maimed, cities are leveled, and the land is salted with uxo that will continue to kill and main for generations to come.
And if you ask your average Natoid they'll say it's worth it "to bleed Russia" because thats what they've been conditioned to say from birth. The West is really willing to fight to the last Ukrainian, just like they're willing to feed any of their past proxies into woodchippers.
It's all so fucking bleak, and NATO leaders seem fine with repeatedly provoking Russia and escalating the war. Not that it's anything new of course, the entire Cuban missile crisis is still framed as "those evil soviets wanted to base missiles right next to America to bypass warning systems, how dastardly! American missiles were already based in Turkey for the same reasons? Never heard of it!"
pretty surreal to watch western media talk about how the west is helping Ukraine
What's wild to me is that there hasn't been any significant resistance from within Ukraine to their own leadership sacrificing them all to Russia
CW: mention of torture, murder
From what I understand state repression has been very thorough for a long time. They shut down all opposition media, all opposition parties, and their internal police have been hunting dissidents to be tortured, imprisoned, or killed. Many, many people have fled the country. They've also presumably got all of NATO's intelligence goons helping them out to suppress dissent.
There has been a lot of dissent and resistance the whole time. There's been a great deal of refusal to to show up at draft offices, large bodies of troops have abandoned the front to the point where the army has been offering all kinds of perks to keep soldiers in place. idk the extent or if it's organized and whatever is happening is certainly being suppressed to keep it out of the media, but there is resistance. Ukraine isn't a monolith.
Just surprising that there hasn't been enough of an organized resistance to hear anything about it. There are millions of Ukrainians who have left the country and aren't being repressed by their government who could be speaking out or organizing in some way
I think something to consider here is anyone who fled to the West would live under the threat of being returned if they went against what their receiving country wants.
I think there were pushes to round up would-be conscripts and deport them back to Ukraine to
fightdie. I remember reading about it either being implemented or discussed a while back.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis
NATOpedia says that ~3.7m conscription aged men are either dead, fled, or in hiding.
Yeah, looks like there is organized resistance. We're just not hearing about it much.