2016, when Islamic terrorism was still the big bad and western media was praising France for their anti-terror re-education program. this shit sounds a lot creepier than vocational training, too. nothing from Adrian Zenz about France though, curious!

  • Awoo [she/her]
    1·
    4 年前

    Liberals once again proving that they just don't get it.

    They round them up and put them in "re-education" which is actually just "political brainwashing". The point of re-education is that you change people's material conditions by giving them a better education so that you lift them out of the material circumstances that make them susceptible to the extreme islamic tendency. When they have good prospects, good education, know languages, have the ability to do far better work than before the result is that people feel far less inclined to kill themselves or destroy their life in an attack.

    This reads like all they think they have to do is bombard people with French "patriotic views" (read: nationalism) and the problem will cease. That's going to do jack shit.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      4 年前

      you're absolutely right. according to the r/GenZedong thread, France got into the planning stage of doing it but the policy wound up scrapped before any camps opened

      the difference in media response is what I wanted to point at though

      EDIT: someone in another comment is quoting info that said they did open a camp with a small number of people before shutting down

    • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
      1·
      4 年前

      Okay so am I dumb or is this not exactly what China is doing? Like, putting the Uyghurs in these education camps to teach them the language and help them integrate into society? Or am I missing some key difference here?

      • Yun [he/him]
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        4 年前

        Yeah looking up articles on the French camps, at a high level they seem to follow the same general idea except for the "patriotic duties" part and the fact that the Xinjiang program puts a heavy emphasis on "vocational training" whereas I didn't find any such emphasis with the French camps (they mention that learning trades is part of the program but that's about it).

        I suspect the lower level details would be where the main differences are but couldn't really find anything in depth on what the French plan was.

        Edit:

        Found this https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/centre-de-deradicalisation-en-indre-et-loire-poudre-aux-yeux-ou-projet-novateur_1830505.html

        Réveil tous les matins à 6h45, port d'uniforme obligatoire: un pour le sport, un pour la vie du centre, un pour les sorties, et lever de drapeau pour réapprendre les symboles de la République. Se succéderont des cours de religion, histoire, philosophie, éducation aux médias, culture générale... Côté divertissement, les pensionnaires pourront suivre des ateliers de vélo, musique, poterie et même de capoeira ou slam.

        They get up at 6:45am and raise the flag every morning (I guess this is what was meant by "patriotic duties"), then get schooling in religion, history, philosophy, media studies, and culture. Outside of schooling, they can participate in various workshops (cycling, music, pottery, caoeira, slam poetry etc.)

        Doesn't mention anything about jobs though.

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
      4·
      4 年前

      The point of re-education is that you change people’s material conditions by giving them a better education so that you lift them out of the material circumstances that make them susceptible to the extreme islamic tendency.

      That's a great idea. Why do you need the camps for that?

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        4 年前

        You don't. They're not really "camps" and never have been. They just like to call them camps because it sounds bad and evokes a mental image of tents and harsh conditions. Every single facility used in Xinjiang was a fully constructed building and they look like schools.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            4 年前

            Good point but it's probably regionally different right? Over here in the UK at least the first thing anyone thinks of when you say camp is the conditions of the pop up migrant shanty camps in France because that's what they see camps referred to as within the media constantly. I imagine that what it evokes in a person's mind is different based on what you hear get brought up the most within the media you're exposed to?

        • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
          2·
          4 年前

          I mean than the post is wrong if the two are not at all comparable, and also i see them constantly referred to as camps here by people who defend them.