some part of me wishes that it some some average person getting retribution for his loved one's life saving claim getting denied; but the shooter's demeanor suggests a professionalism that comes from doing something like this a lot and professionals get paid by someone.
really good professionals who instinctively clear silencer jams and not running must get paid A LOT of money; much more than some insurance coverage plebeian could ever afford.
Like others have said its not a jam and a smart person would train and be prepared before doing something like this.
Plenty of working class people train with guns and are possibly ex-military. You don’t even need to be ex-military though, just level headed, know how to use a gun, and be able to keep your adrenaline under control.
Agree. I think the media is going to try and spin it as a crazed lone wolf story, but in reality the proverbial shit is hitting the proverbial fan and they are scared
People (not me of course!) have been "joking" for a while now along the lines: "Hey. School shooter guys. if you're gonna blow the top of your own head off anyway, why not do something positive for the world rather than being remembered as a child killer? You could be like that Serbian dude who blasted the Austrian prince. Doesn't that sound cooler than being asshole number 400 who killed ten kids? Up to you!"
Not to be overly annoying but him triggering WWI is a bit of a "myth" for a bunch of reasons. The most easy of which is if all it took was some shitty prince and princess getting got in Sarajevo to make Europe start killing each other then WWI was going to happen eventually (which is true. Germany was deadset on forcing conflict). You also had the Russian Empire going to shit under incompetent Nicky. Ottoman empire imploding. Tons of other conflicts and systems failing that I can'tp recall from memory at the moment. One man in Sarajevo seems inconsequential (the prince or his assassin) in the large picture
"Great man (men) of history" and all that
I just respect the dude for not giving up. The story of how he managed to finally assassinate Ferdinand is pretty entertaining. His fate (Princep or whatever his name was... from memory) was far less entertaining. Ryan Ruth is on track for that fate it seems, and he didn't even do the deed. Free Ryan Ruth
Its not really a 'jam' in the sense of an unexpected failure that requires diagnosis of the problem before you can fix it, its pretty common when using subsonic ammo, the lesser amount of gunpowder in the round prevents the action from cycling, so you just know to do it every shot.
Thats like supressed pistols 101, any idiot that watches a guntuber on youtube a couple times a week will pick that up by osmosis.
What does indicate a better degree of professionalism is yes, what you call demeanor.
Bbeing aware of the woman standing nearby and not interacting with her in any way, as she isn't the target, doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop him.
The handling of the weapon, the speed at which he does things like cycle the weapon, nope that didn't cycle properly, cycle again, fire, etc.
Doesn't bolt out of there, doesn't panic, no indication at any point he is overcome with fear or anxiety, just does the thing, gets on a bike, leaves.
It's CNN so take it with a grain of salt, but the talking heads are leaning into this being a hit man. Which on the one hand is disappointing because I wanted it to be a comrade but on the other, we get to see factions of the bourgeoisie fighting each other in broad daylight
The media are never ever going to float the idea that a regular pissed off person would do this as an act of revenge/retribution/justice. It has to be a non ideological act, or the act of a madman. They cannot possibly offer any other explanation because simply recognizing the idea that the 99% can use violence to scare their oppressors is too threatening to be acknowledged.
Wouldn't be the first time a particularly aggreived and/or aggrevated individual put in the work to learn how to do something like this, in the manner they did it in.
Nobody knows shit right now, the talking heads are talking out their assess, no actual evidence to support anything beyond what us goobers in this thread have.
i heard that the nypd decided it was a personal grudge against the company but i didn't really look into it. i feel like they're likely to say it's a hitman just for propaganda value, like don't get any ideas proletariat
This wasn't a hit man, this was someone getting vengeance and casing their target/practicing. I think we're going to see another pig get taken out by this guy.
I will hope, and with how far he's gotten and the overwhelming positive response, I expect copycats. Also, def not a pro, the guy engraved messages on the casings, this was in fact a vengeance killing.
I dunno, I could see it being funded by someone who got a life insurance payout on their significant other (who was denied coverage on something that ended their life) and decided that someone else was getting buried as well
Eh the guy's still dead either way, what does it matter who killed him. Him being dead won't make anything better anyway, they'll just get another guy to continue doing the same job and maybe increase police funding, so its all academic really.
But on a boring for-real note... yeah. I think everyone is aware this sort of "propaganda of the deed" stuff (if ideologically inspired) doesn't actually work. People tried it before the Russian revolution and it certainly makes the lives of the worst people suck way more, but they didn't significantly change what they were doing as a result. The Tzar continued Tzaring.
(referring specifically to attempted or successful assassinations. not ALL propaganda of the deed actions like bank robbery by hot mustachioed Georgian men)
some part of me wishes that it some some average person getting retribution for his loved one's life saving claim getting denied; but the shooter's demeanor suggests a professionalism that comes from doing something like this a lot and professionals get paid by someone.
really good professionals who instinctively clear silencer jams and not running must get paid A LOT of money; much more than some insurance coverage plebeian could ever afford.
Like others have said its not a jam and a smart person would train and be prepared before doing something like this.
Plenty of working class people train with guns and are possibly ex-military. You don’t even need to be ex-military though, just level headed, know how to use a gun, and be able to keep your adrenaline under control.
Agree. I think the media is going to try and spin it as a crazed lone wolf story, but in reality the proverbial shit is hitting the proverbial fan and they are scared
Be scared motherfuckers.
People (not me of course!) have been "joking" for a while now along the lines: "Hey. School shooter guys. if you're gonna blow the top of your own head off anyway, why not do something positive for the world rather than being remembered as a child killer? You could be like that Serbian dude who blasted the Austrian prince. Doesn't that sound cooler than being asshole number 400 who killed ten kids? Up to you!"
Do you mean the dude that triggered WW1 lmao
Not to be overly annoying but him triggering WWI is a bit of a "myth" for a bunch of reasons. The most easy of which is if all it took was some shitty prince and princess getting got in Sarajevo to make Europe start killing each other then WWI was going to happen eventually (which is true. Germany was deadset on forcing conflict). You also had the Russian Empire going to shit under incompetent Nicky. Ottoman empire imploding. Tons of other conflicts and systems failing that I can'tp recall from memory at the moment. One man in Sarajevo seems inconsequential (the prince or his assassin) in the large picture
"Great man (men) of history" and all that
I just respect the dude for not giving up. The story of how he managed to finally assassinate Ferdinand is pretty entertaining. His fate (Princep or whatever his name was... from memory) was far less entertaining. Ryan Ruth is on track for that fate it seems, and he didn't even do the deed. Free Ryan Ruth
Oh yeah no worries I don't know shit about the origins of WW1 except people calling Europe a "powder keg", so thanks!
It was still a cool thing to do, just not a very cash money thing to do.
All these ghouls walking around in the same meat sacks as the rest of us, it’s that easy
Crazed lone wolf with a sick getaway plan
"a smart person would train" not like the clowns who tried to gat Trump then
Its not really a 'jam' in the sense of an unexpected failure that requires diagnosis of the problem before you can fix it, its pretty common when using subsonic ammo, the lesser amount of gunpowder in the round prevents the action from cycling, so you just know to do it every shot.
Thats like supressed pistols 101, any idiot that watches a guntuber on youtube a couple times a week will pick that up by osmosis.
What does indicate a better degree of professionalism is yes, what you call demeanor.
Bbeing aware of the woman standing nearby and not interacting with her in any way, as she isn't the target, doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop him.
The handling of the weapon, the speed at which he does things like cycle the weapon, nope that didn't cycle properly, cycle again, fire, etc.
Doesn't bolt out of there, doesn't panic, no indication at any point he is overcome with fear or anxiety, just does the thing, gets on a bike, leaves.
It's CNN so take it with a grain of salt, but the talking heads are leaning into this being a hit man. Which on the one hand is disappointing because I wanted it to be a comrade but on the other, we get to see factions of the bourgeoisie fighting each other in broad daylight
The media are never ever going to float the idea that a regular pissed off person would do this as an act of revenge/retribution/justice. It has to be a non ideological act, or the act of a madman. They cannot possibly offer any other explanation because simply recognizing the idea that the 99% can use violence to scare their oppressors is too threatening to be acknowledged.
The sob pieces over this waste of breath make me sick
I'm guessing the talking heads don't know shit.
It's been less than 24 hrs.
The police don't know shit either.
Is a hitman theory plausible?
Sure, of course.
Are other theories plausible?
Yes, obviously, duh.
Wouldn't be the first time a particularly aggreived and/or aggrevated individual put in the work to learn how to do something like this, in the manner they did it in.
Nobody knows shit right now, the talking heads are talking out their assess, no actual evidence to support anything beyond what us goobers in this thread have.
Gotta hire the hitman for a reason. This means a Hitman is more affordable than medical coverage. That says just as much if not more about America
i heard that the nypd decided it was a personal grudge against the company but i didn't really look into it. i feel like they're likely to say it's a hitman just for propaganda value, like don't get any ideas proletariat
This wasn't a hit man, this was someone getting vengeance and casing their target/practicing. I think we're going to see another pig get taken out by this guy.
May he be remembered as the one who started a trend
looking forward to seeing CCTV footage in three months of a guy with the same backpack ventilating a banker and freaking out
that sounds way too optimistic but god i would be so happy
I will hope, and with how far he's gotten and the overwhelming positive response, I expect copycats. Also, def not a pro, the guy engraved messages on the casings, this was in fact a vengeance killing.
Inshallah
I dunno, I could see it being funded by someone who got a life insurance payout on their significant other (who was denied coverage on something that ended their life) and decided that someone else was getting buried as well
Someone did a GoFundMe for "medical" expenses.
I don't really care who did the shooting. I'm just glad the fucker is dead.
Eh the guy's still dead either way, what does it matter who killed him. Him being dead won't make anything better anyway, they'll just get another guy to continue doing the same job and maybe increase police funding, so its all academic really.
Not with that attitude!
But on a boring for-real note... yeah. I think everyone is aware this sort of "propaganda of the deed" stuff (if ideologically inspired) doesn't actually work. People tried it before the Russian revolution and it certainly makes the lives of the worst people suck way more, but they didn't significantly change what they were doing as a result. The Tzar continued Tzaring.
(referring specifically to attempted or successful assassinations. not ALL propaganda of the deed actions like bank robbery by hot mustachioed Georgian men)