I've had this IRL discussion too many times, where the non-veg person says that a lack of meat affects their sleep, energy level, digestion, etc. I'm not a dickhead, and I don't argue with people's lived experience, even if it feels very sus.
I've done a good faith search for evidence of how certain people might have negative health effects from not eating meat, and nothing turns up. (Short of just having a bad veg diet) Maybe I'm missing something. It's just frustrating how often people use this as an excuse, and they're often anti-vegan in their wider ideology.
"skill issue"
IMO, people who experience health effects from cutting out flesh either failed at meal planning or they're sensitive little babies who couldn't handle a change. I empathize, western pattern diet depends on flesh and I guess it's jarring to make a big dietary change of any sort (though it wasn't for me), but that is what you're signing up for. Maybe ask about specific things, like "how did you get enough protein" or "did you take B12" and find obvious mistakes. Broader level though, animals still don't want to be killed even to give a carnist a better night's sleep.
Short of just having a bad veg diet
That's a pretty easy thing to do, yeah? Most people think of vegetarianism and they think of potato chips and salad.
Try asking them what they were using for protein and tell them to try
next time.I'm sharing my thoughts here but I'm not trying to argue with you about your approach. This is just what I do for my own well-being.
As soon as someone starts to give me an excuse about why they aren't vegan, I stop listening. They aren't trying to share roadblocks they want help overcoming, they are trying to protect themselves from feeling guilty.
I can show people they can live a healthy life with delicious, low cost, low effort foods without enslaving animals. If they wanted to know about that, they would ask, like: "Hey, I notice when I don't eat corpses I feel a little run down..." and then we can approach it together. Otherwise I just assume they have a terminal case of meat brain and they get mentally filed away in the carnist slot 🤷🏻♀️
As soon as someone starts to give me an excuse about why they aren't vegan, I stop listenin
Truly this is my opinion on this. To me, they're a lost cause until they're forced to watch 30 seconds of slaughterhouse footage. It's just frustrating when I need to here this all the time without my soliciting it.
Lol, yeah I call that being their vegan confessor. I didn't ask if they were vegan, I certainly didn't ask why, and I definitely don't care. And yes, I am judging them.
I get really politely pedantic and start asking them how they know this, what the nature of their experimental protocol and controls are, if they made any effort to do blinded testing. If they're smart they realize how silly their refusal to openmindedly consider their conviction is based on false assumptions is and if not they get big mad and make sillier claims that tend to get progressively easier to deboonk
Here's a 76 hour YouTube series that answers all these questions. No I don't have timestamps, you just have to listen to the whole thing.
If you're smart, you'll understand that um, aktuly beef is a universal panacea and salad cause cancer.
Honestly I guess those that suffer from chronic anemia and aren't able to do the whole combine leafy greens with vitamin c rich sources (to aid in iron absorption) alongside beans. Tbh though it requires likely having specific intestinal issues that make it hard for certain people with conditions like IBS, UC and FODMAP.
It could be true. I just haven't seen any evidence of this. And of course the evidence for veganism must be solid, while my need to eat dead animals is just vibes only.
I mean for the gastro stuff I pointed out it's valid, there's sadly people that experience a similar reaction to galactans (from beans) that people do to lactose (also similarly sets off IBS), there's also brassica and cruciforms that set off IBS (though green beans and spinach are low FODMOP alternatives, funny enough red and processed meats are also big trigger for IBS as well). These are specific conditions and not baseline as stated before and so likely is not what is claimed by individuals that state that meats are superior to a vegan diet or that going without meat is harmful to people (it's not as long as you meet your micro and macro nutrient requirements which is easy enough in a majority situations).
Kinda feels like they've been getting a little too much into Tokyo Ghoul.
Also, no veggies makes me feel less well.
Any change in diet will take time for your body and gut microbes to adjust to. Going suddenly from a lot of meat to zero meat may absolutely cause people to think that the vegan diet is unhealthy for them
My feeling is that people try full veg for a week, have a miserable time, and just make up whatever health stuff they feel like they had.
There is French youtuber that stopped being vegetarian because she started having intestinal issues and said it was better after going back to meat. Could be something else entirely, this seems weird or maybe a bad diet. Unfortunately she contributed to spread this to the world
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WTYP.
Unfortunately she contributed to spread this to the world
Christians love a covert. The "I was X and my life was bad, but then I became Y and my life became good" is a classic sales/marketing refrain.
I doubt she's the first YouTuber to accept an endorsement deal to change her opinion publicly. And I bet that extra money went a long way towards curbing her gut-wrenching sense of anxiety over her success as a media personality.
Basically arcanepotato but also like I have IBS. A plant based diet that's practical to do means I spend a fair bit of time quite uncomfortable.
Boo hoo. It is not a given that is it true that you can uphold the moral baseline and feel great all the time. God hates us, life is suffering, stop being a child and face it is basically how I feel.
