First of all, you all seem to have a very wide definition of liberal, so I will clarify that I am a liberal in the sense that I vote Democrat. With that out of the way, I'm going to state for the record that although I am attempting to be open-minded, I despise those who would oppose freedom and democracy. I consider myself a leftist, however, should the Democrats skew too hard towards heavy-handed socialist extremism, I end up voting Republican instead, to bring the balance back into the middle.
I have to say, I find the things you people say to be very confusing and I was hoping you could shed some light on the matter. I've seen you repeat several times that you are civil if questions are asked in good faith, however judging by your actions in other instances I don't expect a serious response.
My questions follow as such. Why would you support leftist extremism? Why risk an authoritarian police state with no free speech over say, Nordic socialism? How do you expect to gain the trust and support of small business owners and investors when you show open contempt for them? What could the Democrats do for you that would win you over without alienating normal voters?
I hope I am not appearing too uncivil for you, but I'm hoping to get some insight into how extremists think. Thank you.
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I assure you that this is not a bit.
Am I to understand that you were lying when you said you answer good-faith questions?
Hello OrcSlayer666... (surely that name is not meant in a dehumanizing way!) But whatever, I'm bored, so here you go:
Capitalism is a system where ownership and control over the means of production is concentrated in the hands of capitalists ("investors"). Unlike us, they benefit from skimping on wages and labor conditions. This creates conflicts that cannot be resolved, only ameliorated.
We are not leftists out of the goodness of our hearts - we are leftists because share the social position of being forced to sell our labor-power to capitalists in order to pay rent and food: we are leftists because we as proletarians stand to gain materially from a socialist system.
Small business tyrants would occasionally benefit from the same things we do, and to that extent we can form alliances with them, but for the most part their material interest are aligned with the large scale industrial and financial capitalists. More importantly, they are a small class and we can't rely on their support, nor do we need it.
The problem with the democrats is that they rely on donations from people who can afford lavish donations, you guessed it, capitalists.
I don't have much time now so I can't address your main question, but:
should the Democrats skew too hard towards heavy-handed socialist extremism
The dems will never do that. Their purpose is to reinforce capital at any cost. They get their funding from, and to the bidding of the uber-wealthy. They will never be a socialist party.
Why would you support leftist extremism?
Because I despise capitalists
Why risk an authoritarian police state with no free speech over say, Nordic socialism?
Social democracy? Because whatever welfare is built will eventually get dismantled by capitalists because it pushes profits down. The only way to crush them is through repression as it is the only language they know.
How do you expect to gain the trust and support of small business owners and investors when you show open contempt for them?
Murder
What could the Democrats do for you that would win you over without alienating normal voters?
Nothing, Democrats need to be shot too. Maybe AOC or Bernie gets reeducation camps instead
You can't expect to win people over with boring videos. You need to be practical.
Can you please not be vulgur? I am trying to be civil with you people.
And with one comment you gave the entire game away. Can't believe I almost seriously replied to this thread.
I'm going to assume good faith and tell you if you don't have the time for all the videos, then just watch this one: https://youtu.be/ULYWIDcUOY4?si=EDViy0tvXMoqddRB
It'll answer most of your questions about democrats and "extremism".
I should have expected it to be a lie. Thank you for confirming my suspicions, kind sir.
Why would you support leftist extremism?
Because it's an opportunity to dance
Why risk an authoritarian police state with no free speech over say, Nordic socialism?
Because it makes coordinating a flash mob easier if you all know one dance
How do you expect to gain the trust and support of small business owners and investors when you show open contempt for them?
Doing the socialism dance in front of them with all my comrades
What could the Democrats do for you that would win you over without alienating normal voters?
A sternly worded apology and committing seppuku on television while I do the socialism dance with all my small business owner and investor comrades
