OK Had a a quick read through. Will list the arguments not in order but in what I thought was persuasive. Not an endorsement because I think he's wrong in the end
-Universities should employ these cretins so students can dunk on them
-If you don't learn how to argue against something you're just being a little bitch who can't argue
-When you obscure the conflict you let people freely claim some crazy shit ranging from it was the Palestinians who were ultimately responsible to claiming holocaust valor
-If they're so bad you should have to confront them
-Students will be inoculated against it
-Slightly different to 2 but if you have settled on an opinion its much harder for you to see the other side of it and the denier is probably working harder than you on it so you have to up your game
I'm kind of broadly sympathetic to those points but
-Most college students are little bitches and will just attempt to take the best notes to get the best marks
-The holocaust denier will in no way sign up to be a punching bag
-If you do get a denier they're not going to play your honest game where the most rational wins
-How are you going to grade papers on that if the denier has a say in it
-There are chud students who will know he's wrong but use it as an opportunity to fuck with people
I guess you can say I'm being too protective of people but you're average 18 year old is not a young Marx and the only way the situation even happens is if the fash gets some advantage you haven't worked out a counter too. If our teenagers were in fact post grads or final year students, fine yeah whatever. Let them dunk on the nazi but there are better uses of their time like reading Marx
People on twitter are saying its some kind of troll so maybe I'm the moron. I don't think I was being unfair though.
One of the most common talents among University students is being able to transform themselves, and their opinions, to whatever they believe will get them the highest mark. This is probably the inevitable result of a world where your GPA, and consequently how much your profs like you, is a serious determinant of potential future opportunities.
All that's gonna happen if Unis hire Holocaust deniers is that Students will start writing essays about Wooden doors at Auschwitz.
I think that's my first point but more explicitly spelled out. Its very true for the teenagers but to be fair to Norm I think he's taking a more idealistic view of how students should approach debates and as Marxists we all know the appeal of a better world
Finkelstein still thinking honest debate gets you anywhere is kind of hilarious considering his career got cratered by Dersh completely behind closed doors.
Man, he's put more on the line and lost more than a lot of people. If he's still an idealist after all that god bless him even if we disagree with him on what the realistic outcome would be
I agree with that. I listed what I thought were his best points and then I said why I think its a bad idea but my formatting isn't great so probably easy to mess
grand, it just popped up in the top right like you were mad at me. I'll cut Norm slack on this one because its never going to happen and he's mostly a god among men
yeah i just saw the image and searched for the link he is discussing about the ban and he just does not do threads so they seemed separate at first but this was his point before this
Indeed, immediately as FB announced its decision to suppress Holocaust denial, the Board of Deputies of British Jews called on Facebook to also suppress “anti-Semitism” by adopting a definition of anti-Semitism designed to shield Israel from criticism.
I guess I'll go read his argument because that's an odd thing for a man who is not a moron to say
OK Had a a quick read through. Will list the arguments not in order but in what I thought was persuasive. Not an endorsement because I think he's wrong in the end
-Universities should employ these cretins so students can dunk on them
-If you don't learn how to argue against something you're just being a little bitch who can't argue
-When you obscure the conflict you let people freely claim some crazy shit ranging from it was the Palestinians who were ultimately responsible to claiming holocaust valor
-If they're so bad you should have to confront them
-Students will be inoculated against it
-Slightly different to 2 but if you have settled on an opinion its much harder for you to see the other side of it and the denier is probably working harder than you on it so you have to up your game
I'm kind of broadly sympathetic to those points but
-Most college students are little bitches and will just attempt to take the best notes to get the best marks
-The holocaust denier will in no way sign up to be a punching bag
-If you do get a denier they're not going to play your honest game where the most rational wins
-How are you going to grade papers on that if the denier has a say in it
-There are chud students who will know he's wrong but use it as an opportunity to fuck with people
I guess you can say I'm being too protective of people but you're average 18 year old is not a young Marx and the only way the situation even happens is if the fash gets some advantage you haven't worked out a counter too. If our teenagers were in fact post grads or final year students, fine yeah whatever. Let them dunk on the nazi but there are better uses of their time like reading Marx
People on twitter are saying its some kind of troll so maybe I'm the moron. I don't think I was being unfair though.
One of the most common talents among University students is being able to transform themselves, and their opinions, to whatever they believe will get them the highest mark. This is probably the inevitable result of a world where your GPA, and consequently how much your profs like you, is a serious determinant of potential future opportunities.
All that's gonna happen if Unis hire Holocaust deniers is that Students will start writing essays about Wooden doors at Auschwitz.
I think that's my first point but more explicitly spelled out. Its very true for the teenagers but to be fair to Norm I think he's taking a more idealistic view of how students should approach debates and as Marxists we all know the appeal of a better world
Finkelstein still thinking honest debate gets you anywhere is kind of hilarious considering his career got cratered by Dersh completely behind closed doors.
Will this man ever learn anything?
Man, he's put more on the line and lost more than a lot of people. If he's still an idealist after all that god bless him even if we disagree with him on what the realistic outcome would be
relevant username amirite?
AMEN to this
Saw this edited in real time :CommiePOGGERS:
sorry, I thought the dashes were making it different points and not a paragraph with dashes in it
Don't apologise, it was cool :D
for bullet points use *
Cheers I'll go do that
most college students are in their late teens early twenties and don't know what the fuck they're doing
I agree with that. I listed what I thought were his best points and then I said why I think its a bad idea but my formatting isn't great so probably easy to mess
I'm not yelling at you I'm yelling at Norm by proxy
grand, it just popped up in the top right like you were mad at me. I'll cut Norm slack on this one because its never going to happen and he's mostly a god among men
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yeah i just saw the image and searched for the link he is discussing about the ban and he just does not do threads so they seemed separate at first but this was his point before this