And if you’re feeling extra spicy you can toss in that they flirted too 😳😳😳

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      When you’re the party of Lincoln and your main political “opponent” wants the same exact thing

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    BRB, cancelling Karl Marx for maintaining ties with genocidal fascist Abraham Lincoln.

    • opposide [none/use name]
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      Scrap the whole idea of an empowered working class. Back to feudalism and the drawing board

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    I don't think Lincoln ever actually wrote back. left Marx on read :(

    • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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      Yeah marx wrote him being like “Good job freeing the slaves bro. Next you should really LIBERATE THE PROLETARIAT FROM THEIR INDUSTRIAL BONDAGE!!!”

      And Lincoln was like “uh wut?”

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      Tbf, presidents never read that shit. They don't have time.

      I imagine the president overseeing the greatest crisis in American history was a little too busy to personally answer fan mail from someone who was, at that time, a nobody.

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        I imagine the president overseeing the greatest crisis in American history

        Lib talk. The greatest crisis in American history was fucker Columbus and his genocide and sexual abuse and cutting hands off and such.

        Maybe also the existence of slavery more than the little war of his? Maybe also the crisis of having still slaves in the US (literally slaves) and having a percentage larger than a percentage permanent in penitentiary institutions in the US with a huge precarious class?

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          Shut the fuck up pedant.

          I don't need to excessively prune my language because "America" and "crisis" are nebulous terms that describes a lot of things. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. Being unable to read context makes you an idiot, not observant.

          In the context of the United States' bourgeois government, and its operations at that time, it had never before, or since really, dealt with a problem as threatening to its position as a Civil War.

          Is that better dipshit? Were all those words necessary for you to understand what I was talking about?

          Fuck's sake.

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    I like this quote but unfortunately the part right afterward ruins it pretty badly.

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      Yeah. :(

      "...and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation."

      From State of the Union Address: Abraham Lincoln (December 3, 1861)

      Ugh. He goes on to basically deny class conflict because there exist people who aren't capitalists or laborers and apparently they're the majority.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        Who are these mysteriously silent people who've apparently existed for almost 200 years in this country without ever being seen or heard?

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          At the time, they were the small farmers. Now it's landlords, contractors, and other petit bourgeoisie. I think people underestimate their numbers.

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            The way I look at it, it's impossible for landlords and contractors to ever come close to outnumbering workers. Every landlord needs tenants (on average more than one) and every contractor needs laborers (on average more than one). I'd say the average is 10:1. 10 workers supporting each petite bourgeois landlord or manager. So you have 1% defended by a 10% against the 90%.

            • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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              That's a bit of a simplification. Say we accept that 10-1 ratio for landlords and small businessmen. Each employee at the business is also a tenant for the landlord. That's 10 Proletarians and 2 petit bourgeoisie. Say each has a stay-at-home spouse. That's 4 leeches. Maybe one of them took over the family business when their father retired. Thats 5. Most likely more. The petit bourgeois tend to form extended clan networks.

              That's not even getting into the managerial class. Middle management, lawyers, insurance agents, realators...

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    Marx/Lincoln slashfic:

    "What if we kissed, bathed by the light of thousands of burning plantations?"

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    Hey, why nobody told me Marx had a gay penpal from a horrible country?

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    This is fascinating that he says this as I don't even think Marx himself reject the idea that certain types of capital exist without the need for labor such as land (but that the inherent existence of land means it should be shared).