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  • HamManBad [he/him]
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    6 days ago

    It's hard to have an opinion. He ran the global industrial murder machine, but he was arguably the nicest guy who ever ran the murder machine. So, whatever, I guess

    • prole [any, any]
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      6 days ago

      Jimmy pardoned draft dodgers, Joe gave clemency to a judge that was taking bribes to send children to prison.

      Jimmy fought to end segregation, Joe fought to keep it.

      He's still a lib, but he's one of the best libs in recent times

      • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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        6 days ago

        Yeah, this sounds too electoralist

        Lemme tell you this though, he seemed to change his tune and did the following post-presidency:

        1. Praised China's rise to power

        2. Negiotitated with DPRK to rid its nukes, and condemned the U.S sanctions on it

        3. Praised Venezuela's electoral system

        4. Declared the settler-colonial entity that took over Falastin, an apartheid state

        https://www.wabe.org/president-trump-calls-president-carter-to-talk-china/

        https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/02/22/when-jimmy-carter-went-to-north-korea/

        https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7272/

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid

        Then again, some pessimist might have point out, during his presidency, his support and alignment with reactionary anti-communist gov't and forces in the cold war in the following (some of which Reagan expanded upon and was known for) :

        Zaire/Democratic Republic of Congo - backed the dictator Mobutu

        Guatemala - backed the Mayan anti-gov't genociders, around 200k dead

        East Timor - backed the East Timor genocide over, over 200k dead (his little pet project) https://web.archive.org/web/20170226181104/https://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/indoarms.html

        Unfortunately, despite its professions of support for human rights in Indonesia, the Carter Administration picked up where Kissinger and Ford had left off. As Noam Chomsky writes in the preface to Matthew Jardine's 1995 book, East Timor: Genocide in Paradise, "In 1977, Indonesia found itself short of weapons, an indication of the scale of its attack. The Carter administration accelerated the arms flow."[7] U.S. arms sales hit $112 million in 1978, and averaged nearly $60 million per year for the four years of the Carter administration -- this was more than twice the level of weaponry supplied to the Suharto regime by the Ford Administration.

        Angola - backed the anti-communist civil war there, along with apartheid South Africa, that caused 1 million deaths

        Afghanistan - started Operation Cyclone

        In the West, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was considered a threat to global security and the oil supplies of the Persian Gulf, as well as the existence of Pakistan. These concerns led Carter to expand collaboration between the CIA and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which had begun in July 1979, when the CIA started providing $695,000 worth of non-lethal assistance (e.g., "cash, medical equipment, and radio transmitters") to the Afghan mujahideen.

        El Salvador - supported anti-communist death squads, including the ones that killed Jesuits there

        Vietnam - refused to recognize and continued the sanctions on Vietnam post-war (he was supposed to give reparations)

        Nicaragua - supported the Somoza clique and started to back of the Contras that followed

        Cambodia - post-Khmer Rouge, he supported China and Khmer Rouge + anti-communist elements against the Vietnam-aligned People's Republic of Kampuchea

        South Korea - supported Chun Doo Hwan, in a line of SK strongmen, responsible for the Gwangju massacre

        Philippines - supported dictator Marcos

        Middle East - expanded bases there, as part of the 800 in our global world

        In addition, he:

        Supported the destabilisation of Grenada after the election of a socialist government leading to the eventual invasion and occupation by his successor’s administration

        Facilitated and supported a fascist coup in Liberia

        All along with Zbigniew Brzezinski https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/05/john-helmer-zbigniew-brzezinski-svengali-jimmy-carters-presidency-dead-evil-lives.html

        https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/18/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy/

        https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/11/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy-2/

        https://afflictthecomfortable.org/2020/11/19/jimmy-carter-is-a-saint-now-was-a-war-criminal-then/

        Plus his start of neoliberalism and destruction of Unions (wow, talk about Dems starting, and Reps expanding it)

        https://truthout.org/articles/neoliberal-policies-associated-with-reaganomics-actually-started-with-carter/

        https://jacobin.com/2024/12/jimmy-carter-was-no-friend-of-union-workers-like-me/

        • prole [any, any]
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          6 days ago

          Lol it's not "electoralist" to jokingly compare two presidents

            • prole [any, any]
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              6 days ago

              It's a joke not an essay. I just read something about Carter and it mentioned the pardon and anti-segregation, which I thought was funny in juxtaposition to the modern democratic prez. I don't want to argue, but you keep calling me a fucking lib so it's hard not to?

              • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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                6 days ago

                it mentioned the pardon and anti-segregation, which I thought was funny in juxtaposition to the modern democratic prez

                you keep calling me a fucking lib so it's hard not to?

                I apologize, I retract my statement of calling you lib... I just think these policies should be bare minimum, but I see what you mean, from your POV

                (I empathize with you, I remembered trying to bring up a little good about Carter, post-presidency foreign policy-wise, and this user burgerpunk kept on mocking me for it)