After the network showed a clip of a young conservative activist saying that climate change was the number one issue for young voters, Fox News moderator Martha MacCallum asked for a show of hands in response to her question, “Do you believe human behavior is causing climate change?”
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis refused to participate, and then GOP presidential hopeful Vivek Ramaswamy declared, “I’m the only person on the stage who isn’t bought and paid for, so I can say this: The climate change agenda is a hoax.” A crowd full of Republicans started to boo.
Most of the Republicans on stage fell short of completely denying that climate change is caused by human activity. Ramaswamy, perhaps taking a page out of the Trump playbook of making the most outlandish comment possible, came right out and said it.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie shot back, “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.” Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley went so far as to venture, “Climate change is real.”
But moderator Bret Baier seized not on Ramaswamy’s blatant denial of the scientific consensus on climate change, but on his claim that he was the only candidate on the stage who was “not bought and paid for.” Baier took turns asking candidates, “Are you bought and paid for?” In classic Fox News fashion, a moment that could have provided insight into how far Republicans are willing to go to please young voters concerned about the environment devolved into senseless crosstalk. Still, for a party that has spent years ignoring or denying the biggest threat to our planet’s future, tonight’s responses were actually, almost, a little bit refreshing.
Outright climate denial, avoidance of actually engaging the question, and zero mention of any policy Republicans might advance on climate.
It’s even funnier when considering they could suggest climate denying policies and still don’t.
They have no platform. Literally. Not even a regressive one.
Them having a platform is irrelevant. Trump is going to be the nominee, almost certainly even if he's actually found guilty and ends up in prison (which I doubt will ever happen). This is all just a marketing exercise for the other candidates.
Also if they're getting booed for denying climate change(?), then they're better off just being silent on the campaign trail while continuing to support the oil sector once in office. Hell, they could even pivot to what the dems do by campaigning on it and doing nothing if their base starts to make it an issue.
I’m talking about the republicans overall. In the general they better have a platform but it seems this is going to be a repeat of 2020.
I mean yeah. All they need to do is say "woke" a bunch of times and they'll be within spitting distance of the presidency.
Not until Biden starts saying it (not that I'd rule this out lol, the man's a segregationist).
That wouldn't be a problem if so many far left people weren't so insufferably woke. You can pretend it's something made up by the right - but I've voted Labour all my life and I'm sick to death of wokeness.
I wonder why so many trans people become communists when even the supporters of the left wing liberal parties openly oppose their existence 🤔
It's just insanity.
Fuck off with that ableist "people that disagree with me are mentally ill and mental illness is for bad people" shit.
you've just proved my point for me.
You had no point to make except you're a bigoted piece of shit.
You just want to score moral outrage points
Outrage about outrage is still outrage, except you're outraged that people care too much.
because you're a narcissist.
You're projecting, hard.
Conversations with people like you are never productive
Then shut the fuck up and stop replying, you bigoted piece of shit.
[surreptitiously speaking into walkie-talkie]: "labour voter spotted. send in the wokes"
That wouldn't be a problem if so many far left people weren't so insufferably woke.
Get that divisive nazbol shit out of here, bootlicker.
Ahh yes, calling people nazis and boot lickers isn't divisive.
You people are the new Christian Right from the 90s.
Ahh yes
style opener. I know everything after that is going to be smug centrist garbage.calling people nazis and boot lickers isn't divisive.
Fuck you. It's stupid to not divide away from nazis and nazi enablers. Sit down with ten nazis, you just made a table of eleven nazis.
You people are the new Christian Right from the 90s.
And you're the same kind of useless liberal that let Hitler take the chancellorship and thought it was a smart compromise.
"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." - Grover Norquist
That's always been their platform. They just don't say the quiet part out loud very often.
Republicans tell their base that they want to cut government, but always act otherwise. Controlling government purse strings is political power and economic power. There may be shell games played that transfers spending, but Republicans do not cut government, nor their power.
They cut government, so that corporations can wield more control. Eliminate public schools over private. Deregulate so that corporations can pollute or scam as much as they want. Or just slash government to "prove" that government is worthless, so that they can slash government even more.
They don't need government. They just need government to disappear. They believe in corporatocracy.
Outright climate denial, avoidance of actually engaging the question, and zero mention of any policy Republicans might advance on climate.
Democrats will admit that climate change is real but either do nothing to stop it or keep making things worse (with Biden signing more oil drilling permits than Trump because he is a puppet of the bourgeoisie, like every elected official in the country).
A crowd full of Republicans started to boo.
Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley went so far as to venture, “Climate change is real.”
Is this article from The Onion? Or am I like on candid camera or something? They believe in climate change now and are against it?
The narrative changed about 10 years ago to "well it's happening, but humans can't do anything about it, it's a natural process". No real difference, but it puts a bit more smoke and mirrors up for the rubes who believe that sort of thing since it sounds a bit less wrong.
Interesting that you can tell where someone's political development kinda "paused" based on this. A dork who thinks climate change isn't happening is a full 10 years behind their fellow dorks.
Here's their evolution on climate change:
- it doesn't exist
- it does exist, but it's not caused by man
- it's caused by man, but it isn't a bad thing
- it is a bad thing, but it's china's fault
How many more steps until some responsibility is accepted?
For context they're using liberal to mean anyone who's pro capitalism but not a fascist. Which is pretty dumb imo since like a third of the republican base are committed fascists (regardless of whether they're open about it or not).
"responsibility"
they're just going to keep shooting people until the weather goes away
It happened here, but it's the left's fault for not being cool enough for me to listen to them.
I think it's gonna lead to more calling for nationalist sentiment. My chud brothers say shit like, "We need to secure resources for the people that contribute". They think people walking across borders are polluting more than people flying in planes because, "Elon is trying to fix climate change"
Also once the effects get really bad they can accuse Democrats of trying to make us miserable during the final enjoyable days on Earth. We'll let you have fun in these final moments while the Democrats will try to enslave you to sift through garbage heaps.
It's the classic Yes, Prime Minister Four-Stage Strategy.
In stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
In stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.
Edit: Actually, I was just looking into it, I think this claim is unsupported. Looks like climate change will cause a 5-25% less than what it would have been, but that's as compared to the projected growth of yields due to improved technology and resources. So the picture is a little more muddy but still impactful.
Climate change isn't really something you can deny anymore if you work in ag, and a lot of small-town conservatives have a close relationship to farming (not trying to stereotype, just speaking to my experience in Iowa). Yields have been declining basically every year for the last 10 or so, with wind, drought, and flooding being the top reasons. Temps in the central US reached the highest since the great depression and the dust bowl. For those people, denying the existence of climate change is basically saying you'll do nothing to help farmers suffering from decreasing yields. It's not a harmless "anti-woke" opinion anymore, it's actively harmful to the material conditions of a lot of republicans.
That's not to say it isn't really interesting watching them dance around it. They'll probably try to say, "yea, it's real, but there's no point in cutting back fossil fuels at this point. Here's more farming subsidies to help with your decreasing yields", and i'm betting that it will still be very effective for their base.-
As a non American, viewing this from the outside. Let me say this.
These guys are ridiculous please don't vote for them. Not only do they not believe in climate change, which is insane given how much of the planet is currently ablaze, but they don't even understand what chat GPT is. So they are corrupt and stupid.
What am I saying, they are presidential material.
All of these dorks are just auditioning for jobs in the Trump administration. They refuse to say anything bad about Trump even though they're running in a race against him.
Except none of them will get jobs because Trump thinks they're all dorks.
Chris Christie did, because he still plays by the 2015 edition rulebook
Except none of them will get jobs because Trump thinks they're all dorks.
Stephen Miller is an ultra dork, creepy as he also is.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie shot back, “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.”
This comment was spot on - I listened to an interview with Vivek Ramaswamy and thought he was one of the most insincere bullshiters I've heard in a long time. "Chat GPT" nails it.
He made a career convincing investors to buy into his biotech startup. Insincere bullshitting is the name of the game there.
The only people that say climate change is a hoax are either in need of serious psychiatric intervention or being paid to say it's not real.
my "not bought and paid for" t-shirt is generating a lot of questions already answered by my t-shirt
spoiler to those who were born yesterday
Barring the GOP just straight up blocking Trump from becoming the presidential nominee, Trump is going to become the presidential nominee. If Trump doesn't become the presidential nominee, the GOP can kiss their chance at the Oval Office goodbye. Either option (Trump becoming the nominee or the GOP forfeiting their chances at getting a Republican president) means the Republican primaries debates are all complete wastes of time. They're only worth watching if Trump's there and it's only because of the dunks.
I'm not American, nor a fan of Trump, but holy shit is him not participating in these debates making him look better than the alternatives. Dude literally got arrested for the fourth time in five months, had an insane presidency, suggested shooting up bleach and shining UV lights into people's lungs as a cure for a virus and somehow still comes across less batshit than those in the debate. Interesting times indeed.
Everyone that disagrees with me is a bot, a bedtime story for liberals.
Are you talking about the 2022 Arizona Republican governor candidate debate?
https://www.youtube.com/live/zgkoNLPIAc0
“I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.”
Now that’s a zinger
Ramaswamy just sounds like he's trying too hard with the "not bought and paid for" like who the hell believes that?
Even if you weren't bought and paid for, you're just going to act like you are anyway if you were elected. Trump did the exact same thing.
