Joe Rogan is one example. He was a Bernie supporter and is quite liberal, but he failed the purity tests by having a wide range of guests on his show, and then later around Covid vaccines and his criticism of "woke" so he was cast out of the progressive coalition, to that coalitions own injury in my opinion.
Smartest liberal
Have you perhaps considered that the distrust in our institutions was also caused by propaganda, and that in general they are run by good people who do a decent job?
I stand corrected, an even smarter liberal
An aside: economists don't usually use the word 'capitalism' because it has no set definition, to the point of being meaningless.
lmao
On a level plain, simple mounds look like hills; and the insipid flatness of our present bourgeoisie is to be measured by the altitude of its great intellects.
Have you perhaps considered that the distrust in our institutions was also caused by propaganda, and that in general they are run by good people who do a decent job?
Tell me you’re a rich cracker without telling me
I have only ever considered that our institutions are good and that critiques of them are the product of enemy propaganda, because my mind is extremely powerful and I operate it with wisdom and intelligence. Have you ever considered that I am right and it is you who are the one that is wrong?
Was Rogan ever “in” the “coalition”? all the people I knew were indifferent at best. Just kind of a “not the target demographic” thing.
Absolutely not lmao. He was a gullible libertarian dipshit who platformed fascists.
He was never considered "in the coalition." When Bernie went on his show there was a huge argument among lefties online about whether it was good that Bernie was doing outreach to convert conservative-leaning men or bad that he was tacitly endorsing those viewpoints.
I don’t personally blame him for trying. Probably more likely to pay out than going on Fox or whatever.
The idea that Rogan is someone the left “lost” reminds me of the insinuation that the dems “lost” the tech corps. They were never on anyone’s side but their own, and politics shouldn’t revolve around pleasing them.
Probably more likely to pay out than going on Fox or whatever.
Bernie did a town hall on Fox and it went pretty well for him. If you can communicate leftist ideas (being generous to Bernie) to regular people without media interference, they are usually perceptive.
These people need to drink some raw water for a few months and then see if they still whine so much about purity tests.
Remember when Joe Rogan was part of the "progressive coalition"???... No, i don't remember either
I remember when certain people I knew mistook Joe Rogan as part of the coalition, as opposed to a platform of convenience since Bernie was literally being denied airtime on every other mainstream platform.
But then again, I though Bernard was a serious progressive politician at that time, and not another hack in a suit.
He had some ideas that could've been perceived as "left wing" by liberals who also think they're "left wing"
Have you perhaps considered that the distrust in our institutions was also caused by propaganda, and that in general they are run by good people who do a decent job?
My doctor whenever I have a problem: "I don't care, here is a prescription, this consultation lasted 5 minutes but I am going to charge your insurance for 30 minutes"
My insurance whenever I have a problem: "We will give you your claim money, in 2 months"
The police: "You forgot to turn on your bike lights, here is a 60 euro fine"
My apartment manager: "Half our shit doesn't work, your floors are constantly being damaged by leaking water. We won't fix any of it"
and I could go on and on.
Every authority figure you interact with is Russian and/or Chinese, actually.
they're also getting mad about the same thing on the .world latestagecapitalism
I almost never seen any moderates being called a Tankie. Only when they end up making apologies for said examples, or more recently for various terrorist groups like hamas. Granted, I’m just left leaning and stay out of economic philosophies but I’ve clashed a lot in political topics with the definitely Tankie heavy user base on here.
.world famously a tankie haven now
https://lemmy.ml/post/24321485/15861821
Also, if your moderator is rejecting Wikipedia links as “propaganda” then they have no business being a moderator. Wikipedia is one of the last, best sources of information on the Internet that isn’t biased, corporate-sponsored bullsh*t. Those mods are either UP TO something or have been bonked on the head.
Pictured: a person who has never read the Talk page on any current event connected to an official state enemy of the American government (alternatively: a liar)
Wikipedia is one of the last, best sources, which is why every teacher has ruled it an invalid source for like 20 years
Back in my day we had to reference the curated time capsule of the ancients with our own Encyclopedia Britannica!To doom abit, they have stopped doing that in poorer school districts. Most of the time they are happy if the student cites anything at all, let along distinguish between primary and secondary sources. Those kids tend to be in for a shock if they make it to college and it is no longer an acceptable source for academia.
[I] . . . stay out of economic philosophies
i.e. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
Socially okay with weed/some lgb not necessarily t - just keep it out of my face, fiscally incoherent
It did not take long for them to go from obsessing about external enemies to internal purification. Nobody could have seen this coming.
In witch-hunting leftists they turned towards themselves, and when the views they nominally agree with are suddenly targeted by the fascists they safeguard and harbor, theoryless liberals get further and further confused and don't know what to do, so they join in the lashing.
It's always funny that a vague quote from Marx can get thousands of upvotes on .world but the second someone defends Marxism, everyone there brings out the pitchforks.
The "left" liberals always get caught in the net of western chauvanism during their radicalization process and thus cannot comprehend the world around them. Nothing makes sense, everything is chaos, and this will continue until they manage to read theory or join a principled org.
I’m just left leaning and stay out of economic philosophies
Westoid libs political illiteracy never ceases to amaze me
Liberals complain about how tankies don’t tolerate a plurality of views, but get real vague when you ask them specifically what views they want you to tolerate.
Its always the case. I had a very politically engaged yet very liberal individual I know tell me that "In theory [kamala having a Republican cabinet member] is a good thing, to avoid group think." Even though he is part of the queer community... Defiantly to close to the problem to see it.
Let me correct him. "It's the neat little box I'm going to put you in for thinking anything further left than Bernie Sanders, and discount everything you say onward as being far too radical and extreme."
user/Djamalfna:
Ideological Leftists generally do not consider themselves "Liberals". In fact they're pretty clear that they consider "Liberals" the enemy, despite Leftism being a branch of Liberalism (The "Worker" can't be free until everyone has Civil Rights, The "Worker" can't even organize or write Leftist Philosophy without Liberalism existing). Modern Leftism is a confusing mixture of state-pushed (read: CN/RU) propaganda and ideologies that make no sense in the real world.
Okay, so then liberalism is a version of feudalism and leftists should be defenstrating these people in the name of free trade
Why do my fellow whiteoids have such a hard time imagining that some of us just genuinely think China is (on the whole) cool and good?
Like, my privilege is showing but I've been to China and it's sick as hell, the people are awesome, culture is rich, history is deep and it's easily the wealthiest AES nation on the planet. No shade to Vietnam and Laos n them but China was a whole other level of "WOAH THEY REALLY FUCKIN DID IT." Meanwhile the west is in shambles and are mad that they offshored their own industry? WE TOLD YOU SO, FUCKHEADS. WE TOLD YOU SO FOR A HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS.
AND AND AND
Since then China has gone global with their influence and wealth and are helping shore up heaps of small nation states that would otherwise be easily crushed and exploited by the existing failing hegemon fuck THAT. NO. CHINA: NUMBER ONE.
Is the Red Scare not taught in schools or something anymore?
Maybe left leaning or adjacent subs are a bit more aware of Red Scares and aren't having it? It's something I see rarely mentioned.
It's probably different depending on where you were raised, but I was raised in a "liberal" area and they basically just didn't cover anything that made the US look bad at all. So that meant very little cold war history. I think there was like 1 chapter on Vietnam that was basically just oh we pulled a whoopsy.
It's taught in a manner that makes it seem like the student is now immune to a bad thing done in the past and that now everyone knows the truth, not as an ongoing process.
Just wanted to say thank you for giving such a succinct way to describe how badly we teach that.
It gets worse when you look past the red scare and see how they teach the cold war. The cold war where nothing but some light skullduggery and the embarrassing, but necessary Korean and Vietnam wars happened.
Nothing else of consequence. No other countries. No war crimes. Nothing of what led to the two wars ever mentioned, the millions of lives lost outside of these conflicts the broken promises of war reparations, etc, etc.
If you really want to prove that the education systems in the West are actually propaganda machines (particularly in the US), all you need to do is begin looking into the global events between 1950 and 1990.
We're lucky they even mention the red scare.
https://imgur.com/a/1WV5W1o
uhm what the fuck? Just going to pause here, because you all seem to be affixed to redditor reactions, and not the fact that a massive subreddit is rightfully banning anti-China speech for being anti-socialist…
What the fuck is going on?
Could be the mods have continued moving left? Consider that Hexbear now is a drastically different place from /r/cth 6 years ago. That or a takeover by the evil tankie mod cabal.
Possibly "moved left" solely because the tidal waves of anti-china posts on Reddit become obviously racist when you see it long enough.
Pretty sure the mods have changed several times over the last few years, LSC was definitely lib as hell right after CTH was banned.
I used to browse LSC all the time and I quit specifically because of a socdem mod coup (this term sounds so dramatic but I'm not sure what else you could call it to express that it's a petty thing and not like, equivalent to a state being overthrown).
This was way back when, like, pre-Biden presidency. A quick search on Reddit shows a thread on r socialism with people complaining about it. IIRC you'd get banned for openly supporting China around that time.
‘What are you talking about? r/politics has always been Marxist Leninist’
Remembering the description of Lenin where he would steadfastly argue for his position until something changed his mind, at which point he would act as if that had always been the correct position. He’s just like me fr
It literally hasn’t, i bet I can pull out comments from Hexbear decrying its lib apologia
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Redditors are so used to being able to complain to the manager. Friends, welcome to the world of message boards where people run things in ways you don't like and you have zero recourse because they own the servers. The fact that Hexbear is as democratic as it is is frankly pretty unique.
The lib in my group chat got mad about being autobanned from there for having the perfectly reasonable take that everyone is evil if they dont
for kamala- Show
You know you're a traitor to the working class when your own subreddit starts to hate you
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