Offline anarchists are cool and based and do direct action. Most online anarchists you run into are like either feds or baby's first steps into leftism.
Yeah. And honestly it is a useful stepping stone towards better forms of communist ideology.
My policy though is that I'm rolling with the strongest socialists when SHTF or opportunity arises, I don't care about the details, kill me in a struggle sesh later.
That's actually my feelings on the matter, it always struck me as bordering on wishful thinking to be obsessing with 'winning' ideologically. This is something that only comes after hypothetical conflict with the state that may not even end the way we want it to in the first place.
Obsessing over some hypothetical future betrayal is easily used as an excuse to not organize in the here and now, like the opposite of a self fulfilling prophecy.
I still consider myself an Anarchist, though some of my best friends are Marxists and I've even done a fair bit of organizing work with Marxists. That experience makes it hard for me to see them as a looming threat. I mostly organize with Anarchists because that's who's doing work locally and while some of them can definitely be very sectarian, they also tend to be the more online ones with the narrowest reading list in my experience.
Yeah I just guess I'm "a socialist" but in practice I'm just your friendly neighbourhood juggalo ready to get down and I'd rather not implicate anyone else in anything I might do so anarchism is probably the closest sort of "historical" ideology that describes my shit. Also I read Goldman and recognise that every system has its failings. My faith is in that after the final revolution, final-form communism will ultimately prevail and that should be everyone's desired outcome. Note: faith, not belief. in practice, pfft, humans are messy creatures.
I probably would have said I was an anarchist back in the days of r/cth, but after the move to hexbear it was a pretty short walk to ML. Anarchism as a political framing for world politics is really quite shit, looking at things through a marxist lens clarified a lot for me. I do still appreciate anarchist approaches for small scale organizing/community efforts.
Yeah I'm a no theory MFer. I mean I'm not totally devoid of theory, enough to recognise a good thing and get with the cause. But I am far more interested in Actually Doing Something than participating in a party. So I am basically a free agent ideologically-agnostic socialist, offering or bringing my services or like, just thinking "hey I bet the guys are the protest could use some water" and showing up with a couple cases of bottled water. Suddenly I'm back stage with our indigenous people looking at me sus while I'm like "ey I just thought yall might want something to drink, here take two, I'll leave now, keep fighting. I'm sorry you even have to struggle."
That's like, the anarchist part of me, the part that will contribute off rip without expecting compensation or recognition (from behind my mask and goggles lol) or kudos or anything. It's the same part of me that if I had a ride-on mower would be anarcho-grillpilled riding it down the road like I'm str8 outta florida to the local park to cut the grass because the council takes too long and certain animals I know need that space to play.
It's the same part of me that saves injured wildlife. I resist the bystander effect and try to think ahead of what the least glorious most useful thing to contribute would be and then just do it because we don't need permission to do praxis.
In an org I would have the responsibility to represent. I don't know that I'm consistent enough or disciplined enough not to be a problem. I get it cops faces at protests and try to provoke them. I'll boost the youth onto rooftops and whatnot to get the high ground to put up their banners and posters and paint in front of the pigs, they dont even need to ask, it's applied moshpit etiquette and I love that they're active and doing something.
Not everything I do is probably fully defensible from a true ML analysis point of view, my work may be ineffectual and opportunistic, but I am what I am and I'm basically oppositional / defiant and have been since I started getting abused by teachers in schools for being neurodivergent. I'm the vanguard or the backstop for the boomer level local organising, a wink and a sly comment so they know who to come to if all else fails and someone has to go do something hilarious.
I should stop typing now. I pity the law firm intern who has to comb through my posts if something ever does happen and if I have fucked up my opsec in an unplanned way and end up finding this unique persona and account.
(DW they wont.
violence / SA / "bragging"
I've done the "okay we're moving all the tech into anonymous storage NOW" scramble when there was even a hint that I would have cops coming down the pipeline. I've prepped for antiremoved-action before being talked down from the ledge of becoming a murderer, but I operated from an abundance of caution to keep everyone safe and no devices snitching.)
Anyway, that's why I'm "not" an anarchist. But in practice, well. Aktion speaks louder than words.
Until I know it's someone asking in bad faith, I really have to try to meet people where they are at and try to correct misconceptions when I see them. A potential comrade in the future shouldn't be turned away, even if it's a very funny question to us, at least IMO.
Yeah, from their responses it just seemed like they were a little lost. The journey can be tricky sometimes when self-deprogramming so much indoctrination.
Absolutely, and I had interacted with them before and that only further cemented my impression that they really just need to read some more theory and join an org and then they'd be a good comrade.
Yeah I think it's great. We're over here dunking and you're out there connecting. It was pretty obvious that they just needed a perspective shift or a focal point shift or whatever in how they integrate ideology into actually living alongside other people in this artificial world.
Class mobility was the best bulwark against socialism in the west while it was still viable with hard work (and luck (ie being white)) now it's such a rare thing that you have people going "b-b-but I know good people who have nice things. Will you make me shoot them? :("
In a way that's progress I guess. or something. In either case you clearly made positive progress with that poster.
Aww, thank you! That's very sweet of you to say. I used to be a very bad debatebro in the past, this shift in how I deal with others lets me channel my inner debatebro into a more positive and informative vector. Embarrassingly, people can go back to my older Lemmy.ml comments and see just how lib-coded I was and how debatebroey I still was from my Reddit days, but now I think I've managed to channel that in a much healthier direction.
Sheeeit I'm not even being that generous in my words, it's just a statement of fact, but you're welcome.
Most of us were reddit brained debatelords at one time or another. The past only really exists on the internet and in our scars, you are who you are now, what you wrote back then is history. Still I'm happy for you that you've found a new and peaceful outlook on interaction. I had a similar breakthrough at one point in my life. Realised I was either going to keep being a clique-attracting bitch risking the mental health of people in my community for cheap social points and ego boosting, or use my weird powers for good. I decided I didn't want to leave damage in my wake for the rest of my life. No regerts.
This is why I will never admit to being an anarchist. smdh.
Offline anarchists are cool and based and do direct action. Most online anarchists you run into are like either feds or baby's first steps into leftism.
Sometimes, frustratingly, they also do direct action against communists, at least in my locality.
Irl anarchists are a land of contrasts.
Yeah. And honestly it is a useful stepping stone towards better forms of communist ideology.
My policy though is that I'm rolling with the strongest socialists when SHTF or opportunity arises, I don't care about the details, kill me in a struggle sesh later.
That's actually my feelings on the matter, it always struck me as bordering on wishful thinking to be obsessing with 'winning' ideologically. This is something that only comes after hypothetical conflict with the state that may not even end the way we want it to in the first place.
Obsessing over some hypothetical future betrayal is easily used as an excuse to not organize in the here and now, like the opposite of a self fulfilling prophecy.
I still consider myself an Anarchist, though some of my best friends are Marxists and I've even done a fair bit of organizing work with Marxists. That experience makes it hard for me to see them as a looming threat. I mostly organize with Anarchists because that's who's doing work locally and while some of them can definitely be very sectarian, they also tend to be the more online ones with the narrowest reading list in my experience.
Yeah I just guess I'm "a socialist" but in practice I'm just your friendly neighbourhood juggalo ready to get down and I'd rather not implicate anyone else in anything I might do so anarchism is probably the closest sort of "historical" ideology that describes my shit. Also I read Goldman and recognise that every system has its failings. My faith is in that after the final revolution, final-form communism will ultimately prevail and that should be everyone's desired outcome. Note: faith, not belief. in practice, pfft, humans are messy creatures.
I probably would have said I was an anarchist back in the days of r/cth, but after the move to hexbear it was a pretty short walk to ML. Anarchism as a political framing for world politics is really quite shit, looking at things through a marxist lens clarified a lot for me. I do still appreciate anarchist approaches for small scale organizing/community efforts.
Yeah I'm a no theory MFer. I mean I'm not totally devoid of theory, enough to recognise a good thing and get with the cause. But I am far more interested in Actually Doing Something than participating in a party. So I am basically a free agent ideologically-agnostic socialist, offering or bringing my services or like, just thinking "hey I bet the guys are the protest could use some water" and showing up with a couple cases of bottled water. Suddenly I'm back stage with our indigenous people looking at me sus while I'm like "ey I just thought yall might want something to drink, here take two, I'll leave now, keep fighting. I'm sorry you even have to struggle."
That's like, the anarchist part of me, the part that will contribute off rip without expecting compensation or recognition (from behind my mask and goggles lol) or kudos or anything. It's the same part of me that if I had a ride-on mower would be anarcho-grillpilled riding it down the road like I'm str8 outta florida to the local park to cut the grass because the council takes too long and certain animals I know need that space to play.
It's the same part of me that saves injured wildlife. I resist the bystander effect and try to think ahead of what the least glorious most useful thing to contribute would be and then just do it because we don't need permission to do praxis.
In an org I would have the responsibility to represent. I don't know that I'm consistent enough or disciplined enough not to be a problem. I get it cops faces at protests and try to provoke them. I'll boost the youth onto rooftops and whatnot to get the high ground to put up their banners and posters and paint in front of the pigs, they dont even need to ask, it's applied moshpit etiquette and I love that they're active and doing something.
Not everything I do is probably fully defensible from a true ML analysis point of view, my work may be ineffectual and opportunistic, but I am what I am and I'm basically oppositional / defiant and have been since I started getting abused by teachers in schools for being neurodivergent. I'm the vanguard or the backstop for the boomer level local organising, a wink and a sly comment so they know who to come to if all else fails and someone has to go do something hilarious.
I should stop typing now. I pity the law firm intern who has to comb through my posts if something ever does happen and if I have fucked up my opsec in an unplanned way and end up finding this unique persona and account.
(DW they wont.
violence / SA / "bragging"
I've done the "okay we're moving all the tech into anonymous storage NOW" scramble when there was even a hint that I would have cops coming down the pipeline. I've prepped for antiremoved-action before being talked down from the ledge of becoming a murderer, but I operated from an abundance of caution to keep everyone safe and no devices snitching.)
Anyway, that's why I'm "not" an anarchist. But in practice, well. Aktion speaks louder than words.
Don't worry the user reposted to the communism comm LMAO
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/34735763
Aw man look at Cowbee doing the work.
Until I know it's someone asking in bad faith, I really have to try to meet people where they are at and try to correct misconceptions when I see them. A potential comrade in the future shouldn't be turned away, even if it's a very funny question to us, at least IMO.
Yeah, from their responses it just seemed like they were a little lost. The journey can be tricky sometimes when self-deprogramming so much indoctrination.
Absolutely, and I had interacted with them before and that only further cemented my impression that they really just need to read some more theory and join an org and then they'd be a good comrade.
Yeah I think it's great. We're over here dunking and you're out there connecting. It was pretty obvious that they just needed a perspective shift or a focal point shift or whatever in how they integrate ideology into actually living alongside other people in this artificial world.
Class mobility was the best bulwark against socialism in the west while it was still viable with hard work (and luck (ie being white)) now it's such a rare thing that you have people going "b-b-but I know good people who have nice things. Will you make me shoot them? :("
In a way that's progress I guess. or something. In either case you clearly made positive progress with that poster.
Aww, thank you! That's very sweet of you to say. I used to be a very bad debatebro in the past, this shift in how I deal with others lets me channel my inner debatebro into a more positive and informative vector. Embarrassingly, people can go back to my older Lemmy.ml comments and see just how lib-coded I was and how debatebroey I still was from my Reddit days, but now I think I've managed to channel that in a much healthier direction.
Appreciate the kind words!
Sheeeit I'm not even being that generous in my words, it's just a statement of fact, but you're welcome.
Most of us were reddit brained debatelords at one time or another. The past only really exists on the internet and in our scars, you are who you are now, what you wrote back then is history. Still I'm happy for you that you've found a new and peaceful outlook on interaction. I had a similar breakthrough at one point in my life. Realised I was either going to keep being a clique-attracting bitch risking the mental health of people in my community for cheap social points and ego boosting, or use my weird powers for good. I decided I didn't want to leave damage in my wake for the rest of my life. No regerts.