I recently spend 9 days in China with my family. The last time I visited was in 2018, before the pandemic, and I was keen to see how things had changed. There is a lot of talk on Hexbear about China but it’s pretty hard to actually get direct information, so I thought I would do an effortpost to help paint a picture of what it’s like there. Of course you can’t really see much in 9 days and my experiences are skewed by my family circumstances and the people I interacted with, so don’t take this as proof or refutation of any serious analysis. It’s just meant to give a small slice of insight. Comrades who are living in China feel free to correct me on anything.
I visited Guangzhou, a highly developed city on the south coast close to the tech hub of Shenzhen and Hong Kong, as well as two cities in Hunan province where my grandparents live, Changsha (the provincial capital) and Xiangtan, a poorer city right next to Changsha.
Energy/vehicles
The most impactful change I witnessed was the move towards electric vehicles. In all three cities, every taxi I saw (whether old-style or rideshare) was an EV. In Guangzhou, it seemed that almost every passenger car was an EV as well, barring a few high-end luxury vehicles. In Changsha and Xiangtan the ratio was lower as there were more older cars still around, but newer cars skewed heavily towards EVs as well. Buses seemed to be transitioning to electric too. Trucks and lorries were still petrol.
There was a lot of EV charging infrastructure. Most urban apartment compounds had charging ports installed in their underground parkades. The rate for charging at a public car park in Guangzhou was 1RMB/kW (about 0.14 USD), with a full charge on most vehicles being about 40-50kW.
Electric mopeds were also all the rage. It seemed like mopeds had replaced the majority of bicycles and motorcycles. They were allowed to use the cycle lanes as well as roads, and many would also use the pavements. It seemed like many of them were delivery drivers but there were definitely many private users/commuters as well. It seemed like there was some discontent about them from the population at large, mainly relating to them causing accidents by driving on the pavement and being difficult to hear approaching. I heard the Guangzhou municipal government is about to bring in speed limit measures for them.
Pollution
The air was pretty good in Guangzhou when I was there, occasionally a little hazy. The air has always been a bit better in Guangzhou than elsewhere being coastal, but I really did feel there was a marked improvement from 2018. The roads were obviously much less polluted and quieter thanks to all the EVs.
The smog was still quite bad in Changsha, though a bit better in Xiangtan. I noticed in Changsha that they were spraying the roads with water everywhere - there was piping installed along many roads, and nozzles spraying a mist of water out of the back of street signs/along construction boards etc. Anecdotally I heard that this started because some local governments were gaming pollution targets by spraying water right outside the measurement stations, and it ended up spreading to a wider scale. The science on this is interesting - spraying large droplets of water can actually worsen pollution, but apparently that changes when the droplets are small like in a mist.
Infrastructure
High speed rail continues to be built and upgraded. The Guangzhou-Beijing train now only takes 8 hours, going at 350km/h. New lines were being added as well for second- and third-tier cities.
Roads seemed pretty good in newer areas but I didn’t see a lot of development, and traffic was pretty bad within Guangzhou, especially at peak hours. I would describe it as comparable to bigger North American cities.
Public parks were plentiful and well-maintained. The area my parents recently moved to had already created several new parks and were building more walking paths on local mountains. The parks I saw had tons of gardening and maintenance staff, with beautiful trees, plants, lakes, walkways, etc.
One of the biggest improvements was the availability and cleanliness of public bathrooms. They were still mostly squat-style, but many places had a mix of western-style toilets and availability of toilet paper, hand soap, dryers etc had massively improved. In Guangzhou I even saw a couple of separate gender-neutral toilets.
Property development
I saw a lot of development of new technology zones and hospitals. Apartment blocks were still being built, but property development is definitely in a slump right now. I found out that many of my relatives are massive libs who invested their income in properties, and are now complaining about not being able to sell. Many developments were sitting empty because they were built by speculators in areas that didn’t have any real demand for homes. My info on this is sketchy and anecdotal, but it sounded like many were reluctant to drop prices on units they had previously marketed as ‘luxury’ and crystallise their losses. I was also told there were price floor policies in some areas? In particular, villas/second homes outside of town, which were massively popular in the 2010s, are seeing little use and have been hit hardest. Some developers were responding to market conditions by, e.g. changing the designs of buildings to have more multi-bedroom apartments that serve multi-generational family living.
It really seemed like the developers brought this upon themselves by frantically building and speculating without really considering the real demand for housing. I talked to the live-in housekeeper/care worker my grandparents were hiring to look after them, who was from a very remote rural area. Both her children had gone to university, but she and her husband still had their allotments of farmland from the government, so it was unlikely that their whole family would move out permanently to the city. I imagine that this holds true for a lot of folks.
Way of life
When I last visited in 2018, the move to financial transactions happening on WeChat had just happened. Still the case that most people are using WeChat for transactions, though cash is still accepted. It seems like a data privacy nightmare tbh, but everyone is integrated in the system. It is highly efficient for sure.
Everyone uses ecommerce for buying almost all goods, including groceries, which are delivered super quickly (same or next day). I saw a ton of malls, especially newer ones, that didn’t really have retail stores anymore but were filled with cafes, bakeries, restaurants, and bubble tea places. Honestly, it was awesome. The ecommerce boom is evidently a driving factor behind the explosion in moped use as well. It was quite funny to me that my family members were complaining about all the mopeds while praising how convenient it was to get things delivered…
As always the food was cheap, fresh, and excellent.
Mental and physical health
Overall I did see some signs of problems associated with an aging population. Older people are living longer and many middle-upper income families like mine are hiring housekeepers to look after them. There was a lot of talk about how awful some care homes were - I heard of one where all the bedridden residents stayed 10-12 in a room. The nursery outside my grandparents’ place had closed down. My parents and their siblings were constantly stressed about looking after my grandparents despite our relatively fortunate circumstances.
One great change related to the focus on mental health of children. The government banned after-school tutoring/classes, with the exception of sports clubs/outdoor activities. So now the kids are all getting a ton of exercise, which is way better than it was for my cousins who had to go to extra classes every evening and weekend to keep up with all the other kids going to extra classes.
Despite that I am a bit worried that there is a hidden mental health crisis in China right now. Mental health provision is still poor. Though antidepressants etc. are routinely prescribed now, it’s still somewhat of a dismissed/taboo topic and talk therapy is not really a thing it seems. But at least it did see like awareness was increasing so this might improve.
The worst change I experienced was sensory and information overload. There has been a huge increase in the use of loudspeakers in public, for everything from official announcements to advertisements. Walking down a street of restaurants is almost unbearable with each unit blasting out repetitive promotions. I visited a bird sanctuary in Guangzhou which had loudspeakers every 20 metres playing shitty music and fake birdsong right in front of the real birds. Many people think nothing of watching/playing videos at full volume in a crowded room. As someone with ADHD and sensory issues it was awful. The most popular navigation app for drivers seemed to be chattering endlessly with unnecessary information, which felt pretty dangerous and just like poor product design. I’m hoping that local or central government will take notice of this issue because it really was driving me insane and cannot be healthy.
Information, news, communications
The Chinese internal internet is very much divided from the rest of the world, though VPNs were very effective and are still widely used. My parents’ and grandparents’ generation seem quite susceptible to fake news, though they were mostly complaining that the news they read is poor quality and full of advertorials. I am not sure but assume that younger generations are more adept at finding good information sources, similar to in the West. Robocalls are a problem too except they still mostly use humans rather than recordings/bots.
One thing that was really annoying was that every service was app based, and web-based services were scaled back a huge degree. Way more people have smartphones than PCs so it makes sense but it was still frustrating not being able to access basic stuff like navigation on browser.
Geopolitics
I didn’t really feel like there was any amount of ramping of hostility towards the US or the West. There was some grumbling about sanctions and trade, mainly along the theme of the Americans shooting themselves in the foot by cutting it off. For the first time ever, I saw more Black people out and about in Guangzhou than white foreigners. I saw some special promotions of imported Russian goods. Many affluent libs seem to still have some idolisation for American/Western freedom. They were surprised when I told them that the Americans were suppressing speech about Palestine, for example. Broadly I felt like was a lot of support for Palestine and lukewarm support for Russia.
I don’t really know much about Chinese internal politics or policies. It certainly sounded like vast swathes of government officials of all levels had been prosecuted for corruption, which was cool to see. I heard that directors of companies in debt weren’t allowed to use premium services like the high speed rail, but it was unclear whether that was a legal thing or a company policy thing.
Final thoughts
It was awesome to see the rapid improvements in some areas, especially in green energy. Overall, people seemed relatively healthy and happy, and I didn't see many homeless people even in poorer areas. I worry about the mental health and aging population. I don't know enough about economics to really judge, though there are definitely lingering effects from covid and everyone is going to feel differently.
I hope this was an interesting read <3
Dude those advertising speakers are the worst. I ran into them in Beijing in the hutong tourist areas, but also in the mall area of my wife’s city on the huge walking streets blaring over and over every ten seconds. Just mind numbing.
I know from ppl who are living there first hand that there are still a lot of issues. I've also experienced some of these myself first hand.
One being the youth unemployment crisis. It's not just the west hyping it up, it's real. So many college students dread what will happen when they graduate.
Also the 996 thing is still SUPER common (fyi 996 = 9am-9pm 6 days a week). There also aren't things like age discrimination laws, so postings for jobs will explicitly tell you whether you're too old/young for the job. This isn't just for jobs, but even uni's will have age limits for undergrads, grads, phds, etc. That's one of the holdovers from the Confucian shit I'm afraid.
Unfornately racism is still a thing, with "white worship" still being pretty prevalent. A lot of Chinese ppl want to date "foreigners" but what that means is (white) foreigners. A lot of the immigrants from Africa/South Asia are kind of looked down upon. I know someone who was talking to recruiters for jobs in China and the recruiter straight up told the person that even tho their qualifications matched the job posting, they wouldn't get it because the job was for a white person (despite the job posting not mentioning such a thing).
There's also the gender gap due to the one child policy. There are soo many more men of marriageable age than women, and it's not gonna be good to have a bunch of lonely guys who are susceptible of going down the incel pipeline. There are literally marriage markets where parents desperately try to find a wife for their son. Unless something changes, it's not gonna be pretty.
Also there's also a lot of Chinese ppl that have an irrational hatred of pretty much anything related to Japan, including Japanese ppl. And it's not the Japanese empire from the past, but actually hating on Japanese ppl of today. Like yeah the Japanese did do heinous shit back in the day and the current gov is still western aligned, but your ordinary Japanese citizen is just like most ppl in the world (trying to scrape by).
And a whole bunch of other issues that I can't remember at the moment.
So yeah, while I think China is heading in the right direction, there are still many issues that need to be addressed.
Thank you for the post. I'm very disappointed about the speaker thing, that's probably the most negative credible thing I've learned about China in the 21st century TBH.
Did you mostly travel by car? I'm happy to hear that EVs are widely accessible and used domestically, compared to the German situation where they're keeping a huge net export and don't have as much of a domestic market for the goods their own workers produce. But it also kinda worries me that cars are so widespread at all. I'd have to go there and see myself to say more, but I just generally get the vibe that transit is still the alternative to cars when it should clearly be the other way around in cities this large.
But it also kinda worries me that cars are so widespread at all. I'd have to go there and see myself to say more, but I just generally get the vibe that transit is still the alternative to cars when it should clearly be the other way around in cities this large.
That's not just you. China for some reasons loves to build new roads that are 6-10 lanes wide. These roads look straight up dangerous and must induce lots of driving. I'm glad they are moving to electric vehicles to curtail pollution but it's still better for the environment if roads are not built this way in the first place.
Here's an example from the outskirts of some random city I zoomed into:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.3245801,117.2299665,261m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
I find it so ironic that they can plan HSR and other transit so well but build 6 lane roads in the outer edge of a city. To what end? By the time that road has enough traffic going through it, it will have made a lot more sense to redirect the traffic to metro or other cheaper means that don't take up so much space and kill so many people.
The US interstate highway system was built to support movement of heavy vehicles during war time. Maybe this logic still exists in spite of technology advances.
Transit is good in large cities, I was mostly travelling by car because of being with relatives. When travelling on my own or with my partner we will get transit unless it’s a complicated journey
But it also kinda worries me that cars are so widespread at all. I'd have to go there and see myself to say more, but I just generally get the vibe that transit is still the alternative to cars when it should clearly be the other way around in cities this large.
Considering china's level of development (pretty damn high in cities but still playing catchup), the rate at which a city like guangzhou uses public mass transit is pretty great I'd say. A 2019 source I found puts the estimate at 60% of motorized trips being done via public transit. Not utopian, but pretty good all things considered.
I haven't read through it fully but I got the 60% figure from this paper, which seems to indicate they (or at least the papers authors) are aiming/advocating for a 20-40-40 split of private transit vs public vs walking/biking. Idk what the overall split between walking/biking vs motorized transit is, but they're getting close to the right proportion of driving vs mass transit already. That might be an estimate not a measurement though. I wish I could find better numbers but in english all I could find was one post-covid study without sufficient raw data for me to figure anything out.
Thank you for the effortpost comrade! In a few days I'll be off to visit mainland China, including Changsha and other parts of Hunan province (as well as few other cities like Xi'an and Guilin), on my way to Taiwan province (where I'll study for the semester); so reading this post felt like of a good summary of what I've read/seen elsewhere in the past months about what I should expect there. I had heard about the loudspeakers of course, I hope they're not as bad as you make it out to be, but that does seem to fit the picture that I've heard so far… I guess I'll see (or hear) for myself when I'm there.
Also, if you don't mind me asking, what are some lesser-known interesting places/things in Changsha that you would recommend?
Changsha is all about two things: food and foot spas. Try to have some proper stinky tofu, crayfish (they call them “little lobsters”), fried glutinous rice cakes from the side of the road. We really love going to the foot spa places, the big local chains like yi er kang are best.