https://twitter.com/the_vello/status/1321435262023536641

Feels like (the good parts of) old chapo again, drop an AOC post and go grab some lunch... come back and there are over 60 replies :)

  • heqt1c [he/him]
    3·
    4 years ago

    As somebody replied "no different than Bernie".... which I agree with.

    Are you denying that Bernie has had a positive impact on Socialism in the US? You're talking to a former libertarian chud who is now a Dem Soc with sympathies to Marxsm and Maosim here who was flipped by Bern.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
      5·
      4 years ago

      I explained my reasoning here:

      Bernie helped reintroduce class politics to a lot of the country, but he’s not useful anymore now that the public has already begun radicalizing. 36% of millennials said they supported communism last year. Not just socialism, which as we all know at this point doesn’t mean a whole lot in the public discourse, but communism. You combine this with months of periodic uprisings and I think we’re well past the point of needing social democrats to open the door. She’s a tailist.

      • heqt1c [he/him]
        2·
        4 years ago

        She's there for the 64% who don't support communism, or even Socialism, yet.

        And at that point we'll have enough support to democratically elect outright commies.

        Did some math, Millenials are the furthest left generation based on volume (percentage of generation which are leftists) and they make up 22% of the population. Sure people say "Gen Z is to the left" and that is true on an individual basis (more outright commies, but also way more chuds)

        So that's really just ~8% of the population, aka we have a long way to go yet.

        • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
          2·
          4 years ago

          My point is that, if one third of millennials (and in all likelihood more Zoomers, based on polling showing them consistently even more left wing) are responding well to literal communism, we in all likelihood don't actually need social democrats to funnel people to "the left".

          The risk with AOC is her holding back radicalization by placating people with social democracy, opposing anti-imperialism, and misinforming people about what constitutes socialism, which is pretty important to building socialism.

          • heqt1c [he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            I am heading out, but can you find some of those polls? I have read that Leftist Zoomers tend to be much further to the left, but there is a more even distribution of leftists vs rightists in the GenZ vs Millenials..... like Millenials have way more people who consider themselves leftists, but they're less likely to be communists or socialists and more likely to dem soc or soc dems... hope that makes sense.

            GenZ = Deep Leftist

            Millenial = Wide, but shallow leftism

            • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/polls-millennials-and-gen-zers-are-dystopian-socialists.html

              In particular, they're the first generation to respond more positively to socialism than capitalism. Admittedly I don't know of any polls measuring Zoomer preference for communism, but it would track if they're generally more opposed to capitalism.

              Some other stuff here, although the differences are mostly small.