not voting for trump but low key hope biden doesnt win so the material conditions of a failing America will be on full display

  • krothotkin [he/him]
    1·
    4 years ago

    I hate violence and want a peaceful revolution where nobody gets the wall. This is a privileged perspective enabled by the fact that I don’t belong to groups who have constantly suffered violence, and I want to recognize that incrementalism is a luxury reserved for the unoppressed, but I just don’t have it in me to hurt someone in anything other than self-defense.

    • TeaPea [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Despite the shitposting, this isn't an unpopular opinion. It's always the reactionaries who make violence inevitable. See Allende or dozens of other examples of the left taking power peacefully before being violently ousted.

    • a_jug_of_marx_piss [he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Revolutionary violence is all in self defence, because the people in power would rather kill you than let go of their power.

      • Corbyn [none/use name]
        1·
        4 years ago

        Then I would still like it to be the least violence possible, and only as a direct response, never as preventive measure or even as revenge.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah gulags and mass executions are one thing when you're a poor-ass undeveloped country trying to get out from under capitalism, but if such revolutionary activity were to happen in a developed country, there will certainly be some violence, but hopefully the massive prison system that exists in most of them could be retooled to serve the same purpose in a more humane manner than just shooting them and leaving them to rot (though there are some that deserve that fate for sure).

          • CatherineTheSoSo [any]
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            4 years ago

            Supposedly gulag system at good times(i.e. not during WWII) had a better record than US prison system.

            • spectre [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah I've seen some things to that effect. I was more addressing the "__ goes to the gulag" or "__ gets the wall" as a meme rather than the actual implementation (which varied).

              It's a fine line between upholding the socialist principles of treating people humanely, and doing what is necessary to ensure the success of a revolutionary movement (which regretfully may entail some amount of violence).

              I guess its privileged of me to consider it regretful, I'm sure some comrades who have had systemic abuse directed at them will feel differently, but that's not exactly my battle to fight.