not voting for trump but low key hope biden doesnt win so the material conditions of a failing America will be on full display

    • Samsara [he/him,he/him]
      5·
      4 years ago

      This might be a bad take, but I think both the US and China are bad. Honestly I really can't believe how some people here dont have the nuance to understand that maybe both countries are bad.

      • spectre [he/him]
        2·
        4 years ago

        Applying "good" or "bad" labels to any non-revolutionary country is a bad take IMO. China is too large and entrenched in the global status quo to be considered revolutionary and/or good, I think. They just are what they are. I can say with plenty of conviction that even with their drawbacks in their domestic policy, and their non-internationalist "socialism", they are far "better" than the US (not necessarily "good" or "bad" still). The easiest thing to point to is that they don't have 600 foreign military bases

        • uwu [she/her]
          1·
          4 years ago

          China bad, USA worse. Got it.

          • spectre [he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            Close enough, but don't say China bad to libs, it's none of their business. If you can't stomach defending it, then just don't say anything at all.

            • uwu [she/her]
              ·
              4 years ago

              I mostly just say "china did a lot to lift people out of poverty in a relatively short amount of time." And leave it at that.

        • spectre [he/him]
          1·
          4 years ago

          What about defending China (as an American or Westerner) because the US obviously wants negative sentiment against them so that they can justify several more decades of wars all over the world and is willing to lie and exaggerate to do so? Maybe your defense can at least be against those lies and exaggerations, but perhaps it doesn't need to be a conclusive defense of every one of its flaws? Perhaps we also save the discussion of China's flaws and downsides for when we are with socialist and/or communist comrades, so that we aren't stoking the fires of liberals' complicity with western imperialism?

          This is generally the majority of the materialists' approach to the situation, but yes there are some others who will be happy to argue "China good" to the end of time, and you can take that up with them.

            • spectre [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              We don't want the US to attack China, or any other country while using China as a pretense. Nothing China is doing is worse that US imperialism, not to mention that unless you are a Chinese citizen or a CCP member, you have no material influence on what China is doing except for US/NATO intervention.

              I think I was clear that being critical is just fine, but there is a time and a place for it, and you need to bring actual discussion to the table instead of liberal talking points that you caught on John Oliver or CNN or whatever.