No. Please shut up. Americans with no concept of having a real left party to do battle in in their country need to stay out of it.
This is perfectly timed to alienate the left before the NEC vote which is extremely important to control of the party. They want the left to quit right now. There isn't any appetite among the important names to start a new party so it ain't fucking happening. Fighting within is literally the only path currently. Unless you intend to go join Red Fightback you should stay exactly where you are.
Not to dox myself here, but the "American" claim doesn't apply in this circumstance. I've abandoned electoral politics entirely on my part. You do you, but I'm not having any more part in it.
Electoral politics are still valid and valuable within the UK. There is absolutely zero possibility of a non-electoral victory in an unarmed nation where socdem is the furthest left viable position. We need to elevate class consciousness to achieve that and a victory within the labour party to give company shares to workers spearheading workplace democracy and a massive boost in the material interests of workers sparking that consciousness is that path to do it.
With that aside. There is an argument for an insurrectionary-lite movement of the north after Scotland leaves, but those are only likely to feed back into the electoral politics and we need control of a party when that ship starts to sale.
I will respectfully disagree here, the forces of capital will never allow it, especially as all of the UK media is owned by the reactionary class and US/UK intelligence. They will sooner see everyone dead before they allow anyone to the left of Blair run the nation again. I'm gona focus on direct action and dual power. You do you.
You're mistaking Lenin's words on electoral politics not being a pathway to socialism for electoral politics not being a pathway that empowers the non-electoral movement.
There is zero appetite for a revolution, zero possibility of a non-electoral movement. The quickest pathway to creating these things lies in an electoral policy that changes our workplaces. We need to de-atomise the population and inspire collective mindsets of an us vs them worker vs capital mindset again. The best way to do this is to give workers shares forcing workplace democracy to popup everywhere and driving an extremely fast boost in the political education of the population. The people will quickly learn that they're labour vs capital in their workplaces through this and class consciousness will rocket. Unions will rocket and non-electoral activities will take off. That's when the non-electoral track becomes viable.
Electoral politics are not an end, they are a means. We can't achieve socialism with them but we can achieve the conditions required to advance the non-electoral push. Unlike the conditions America finds itself in we actually do have the ability to win victories via the party and have demonstrated this. A single term won't give us socialism but it'll advance everything else we do.
They haven't even sent me my ballot yet. Perhaps this is an insidious plot to rig it, then again probably just shitty technology and messy bureaucracy.
There are a number of things within the party that the left is actually very strong at taking. The Youth position is decided by electoral college made up of 50% unions and 50% youth members, the older membership can't vote in it. The same for the new disabled position but for disabled membership instead of youth obviously.
Getting anyone into a position that is for open-selection is exceptionally valuable even if they're not a leftist, open selection will prevent libs getting into seats as MPs and then never ever being possible to replace. The existence of Labour MPs everyone popularly hates who sit there for decades is a product of not having open selection, we can get rid of half the terfs if we have it by selecting a different rep for their seat.
We don't need hard leftists to do things that are going to benefit us in the long term. People like Laura Pidcock are extremely valuable even though she disagrees with everything else we want because she does want open selection.
No. Please shut up. Americans with no concept of having a real left party to do battle in in their country need to stay out of it.
This is perfectly timed to alienate the left before the NEC vote which is extremely important to control of the party. They want the left to quit right now. There isn't any appetite among the important names to start a new party so it ain't fucking happening. Fighting within is literally the only path currently. Unless you intend to go join Red Fightback you should stay exactly where you are.
Not to dox myself here, but the "American" claim doesn't apply in this circumstance. I've abandoned electoral politics entirely on my part. You do you, but I'm not having any more part in it.
Electoral politics are still valid and valuable within the UK. There is absolutely zero possibility of a non-electoral victory in an unarmed nation where socdem is the furthest left viable position. We need to elevate class consciousness to achieve that and a victory within the labour party to give company shares to workers spearheading workplace democracy and a massive boost in the material interests of workers sparking that consciousness is that path to do it.
With that aside. There is an argument for an insurrectionary-lite movement of the north after Scotland leaves, but those are only likely to feed back into the electoral politics and we need control of a party when that ship starts to sale.
I will respectfully disagree here, the forces of capital will never allow it, especially as all of the UK media is owned by the reactionary class and US/UK intelligence. They will sooner see everyone dead before they allow anyone to the left of Blair run the nation again. I'm gona focus on direct action and dual power. You do you.
You're mistaking Lenin's words on electoral politics not being a pathway to socialism for electoral politics not being a pathway that empowers the non-electoral movement.
There is zero appetite for a revolution, zero possibility of a non-electoral movement. The quickest pathway to creating these things lies in an electoral policy that changes our workplaces. We need to de-atomise the population and inspire collective mindsets of an us vs them worker vs capital mindset again. The best way to do this is to give workers shares forcing workplace democracy to popup everywhere and driving an extremely fast boost in the political education of the population. The people will quickly learn that they're labour vs capital in their workplaces through this and class consciousness will rocket. Unions will rocket and non-electoral activities will take off. That's when the non-electoral track becomes viable.
Electoral politics are not an end, they are a means. We can't achieve socialism with them but we can achieve the conditions required to advance the non-electoral push. Unlike the conditions America finds itself in we actually do have the ability to win victories via the party and have demonstrated this. A single term won't give us socialism but it'll advance everything else we do.
I find it highly doubtful that they'll be enough votes for the left to take over the NEC
They haven't even sent me my ballot yet. Perhaps this is an insidious plot to rig it, then again probably just shitty technology and messy bureaucracy.
There are a number of things within the party that the left is actually very strong at taking. The Youth position is decided by electoral college made up of 50% unions and 50% youth members, the older membership can't vote in it. The same for the new disabled position but for disabled membership instead of youth obviously.
Getting anyone into a position that is for open-selection is exceptionally valuable even if they're not a leftist, open selection will prevent libs getting into seats as MPs and then never ever being possible to replace. The existence of Labour MPs everyone popularly hates who sit there for decades is a product of not having open selection, we can get rid of half the terfs if we have it by selecting a different rep for their seat.
We don't need hard leftists to do things that are going to benefit us in the long term. People like Laura Pidcock are extremely valuable even though she disagrees with everything else we want because she does want open selection.