• Bedandsofa [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    From my POV as “a non-white person deeply sympathetic to racial causes,” that thread is garbage.

    Like besides the part where the entirety of the history of the American left is boiled down into one perspective that the author mostly makes up to fit the argument, the failure of the American left is that it failed to engineer a movement for national liberation?

    Like the role of socialists is to summon movements for national liberation out of the ether?

    Like movements for national liberation are more genuinely “revolutionary” than, say, the October Revolution?

    Wow, why do you think there were all these movements for national liberation in nations that were literally colonized and not in the dominant capitalist power? Must have something to do with the left rejecting identity politics, that makes sense, yes.

    • GravenImage [none/use name]
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      the role of socialists is to summon movements for national liberation out of the ether?

      Historical materialists can uncover the alienation which already exists.

      Must have something to do with the left rejecting identity politics

      read the thread again

      • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Historical materialists can uncover the alienation which already exists.

        Historical materialists can explain the alienation that already exists, and tie it back to class struggle through concrete perspectives. That's the goal of the Marxist approach to the national question. It's not to be the impetus for national liberation movements that the people of said nation are not themselves aware of or undertaking.

        read the thread again

        No, I don't think I will.