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    • T_Doug [he/him]
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      IIRC, the account of that killing is heavily disputed. It doesn't come from the Quran itself, but rather from some Hadiths (basically written down accounts of things the Prophet and his companions did) and plenty of past and present Muslim scholars argue that the Hadiths relating to this story are pretty weak in terms of their verifiability, and likely fabricated.

      Often Hadiths were forged long after Muhammeds death by people who knew that having a document of the Prophet doing something which supported their point of view could be very advantageous materially/ideologically. Perhaps a ruler centuries wanted a Poet killed, but thought he needed to invent sacred precedent to do so.

      There are, however, other Hadiths that suggest Muhammed was a pretty tolerant guy, saying that he once checked on the health a women who threw trash at him everyday and so on. We'll probably never know the actual truth of any of these, because of the frequent unreliability of Hadiths.

      For what it's worth here's a post on a Salafi QA website (Salafis are frequently seen in the Global North as the bad kinds of Muslims) which passionately argues that the story of Asma bint Marwan is complete propaganda.

      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/177694/the-story-of-the-killing-of-asma-bint-marwaan-is-false

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        There are, however, other Hadiths that suggest Muhammed was a pretty tolerant guy, saying that he once checked on the health a women who threw trash at him everyday and so on. We’ll probably never know the actual truth of any of these, because of the frequent unreliability of Hadiths.

        I meani f you want a more related story, there's a story of Aisha dunking on Muhammad for always having a handy revelation whenever he wants something done, and he's fine with it. I don't know anything about the poet story though.

      • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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        Interesting, was not aware of this:

        Often Hadiths were forged long after Muhammeds death by people who knew that having a document of the Prophet doing something which supported their point of view could be very advantageous

        That does make quite a bit of sense, especially in the broader context of Islam (multiple splits and schisms based on who said what/who was related to the prophet). My source on this was just lazy googling, will edit comment accordingly

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      See above comment by T_Doug.

      Kind of; there was allegedly a poet (Asma bint Marwan) who criticized tribesmen who converted to Islam and Mohammed himself via poems. She was allegedly killed, although it is disputed whether this was done on behalf of Mohammed or just the work of a different individual who went after her by himself; it is also disputed as to whether or not this even happened.

      • redthebaron [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        like to be fair as a poet myself it is fine not a huge loss for the world really

      • GravenImage [none/use name]
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        shut the actual fuck up and be smarter

        "get it right the first time without needing to be corrected" ok