This is utterly fucking moronic, and it's all based on the unsupported notion that A) a serious domestic collapse means that the 600 foreign military bases just suddenly disappear overnight, never to be used again, and following that B) you know how a deranged lunatic like Trump is going to respond to a domestic collapse, and that it means definitively that the rest of the world will be left out of this. What is this based on? Daft wishful thinking.
We really need to stop with this shit acting like we have any fucking remote clue how the next 4 years are going to play out. We have two dementia addled racist imperialists as options who both despise us. The potential outcomes for either candidate are overwhelmingly extremely fucking bad, and anyone doing this fucking stupid routine of "ohh well I know that we need to support Biden because of climate change and covid" as if this asshole has ANY fucking actual plan for either of those much less the desire to actually expend the political capital to do so, or "oh well you see I'M the clever guy in the room who knows that Trump is the right pick because he's bad at imperialism" as if there's not any possibility that this insecure narcissist won't decide in the next four years "everyone's saying I'm bad at war, I'll show them" and then starts raining fucking hell on everyone like every shithead like Eliot Abrams and John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and John Kelly and and a bunch of other known war criminals that HE FUCKING APPOINTED have wanted from the start. You don't have a crystal ball, you just sound like a jackass making these proclamations.
Ableism and boring liberal notions about Trump being a lunatic do not profit your position.
and it’s all based on the unsupported notion that A) a serious domestic collapse means that the 600 foreign military bases just suddenly disappear overnight, never to be used again, and following that
Oh wow imperialism is just having foreign bases, once those go away it's gone, you are so smart, you should have told Lenin that so he wouldn't have to write a long book. sigh liberalism and being upvoted, why am I not surprised. I'm not going to give you a basic class in imperialism and empire because I feel it would be an incredible waste of my time. So I instead urge you to self-educate.
B) you know how a deranged lunatic like Trump is going to respond to a domestic collapse, and that it means definitively that the rest of the world will be left out of this. What is this based on? Daft wishful thinking.
Trump is not a lunatic. He's a racist, a reactionary, his brain is not in the best of shape, he's narcissistic, he has an authoritarian personality and so on and so forth. He has acted for the most part rationally within his irrational framework of a worldview. That his worldview is irrational is not really the point as liberalism as a worldview is itself irrational and this can be applied to most American politicians and the mere fact we're facing climate catastrophe. Rational in the sense of self interest and little else.
Listen here. I never claimed the collapse would come during Trump's term. I tend to doubt it would, I just think is hastens things a little. If you're making that claim then I'm afraid you're the one with unsupported notions. As to the rest of the world being left out of it. So what if they aren't? What's your solution? Reformism? snort Just letting the hostage taker keep the world hostage for another century? Sometimes there are no clean ways to deal with something wrong, doesn't mean you don't need it done. Rip the band-aid off. The fact is America is headed for a bad place. This is not the doing of scheming ML's, this is an inherent result of capitalism and the rot of the empire. All that can happen with Biden or Trump is change the circumstances somewhat. So do you want a collapsing US with lots of alliances intact? Or one that has burned its bridges and driven many allies into a more neutral position because they no longer consider the US reliable and aren't willing to go in on its shenanigans? I'll take the latter.
What is this based on? Daft wishful thinking.
You seem to struggle to read. I outlined partially what my thinking is based on which is his behavior, that of his rival, certain contradictions, etc.
We really need to stop with this shit acting like we have any fucking remote clue how the next 4 years are going to play out.
Of course we have no idea how they're going to play out but we can make certain somewhat rational assumptions based on past actions, apparent ideology, etc. Did I lay out an exact plan?
Listen liberal. Deny to me that the US is leaving several UN and international organizations which are scheduled to take place in Trump's second term? Deny it to me. This is a fact. You are hamstrung by your ignorant, foolish, liberal ideology which has infected you with this notion that Trump is completely unpredictable. No one is completely predictable. It's not an argument.
“oh well you see I’M the clever guy in the room who knows that Trump is the right pick because he’s bad at imperialism”
He is demonstrably so. You haven't disputed any of my points. Like a petulant child without anything to turn to you throw insults and insinuations of ignorance while not debunking my analysis nor offering any of your own. Go fuck yourself.
as if there’s not any possibility that this insecure narcissist won’t decide in the next four years “everyone’s saying I’m bad at war, I’ll show them”
Liberals have said this for 4 fucking years. You can't just say "well it could happen" and count that as a logical debate point to past performance and demonstrated ideological aversion to war, e.g. his making fun of Bolton to his face about wanting to go to war, his statements to the press in interviews before he became a politician. Motherfucker please. Your ignorance is not a weapon nor a shield.
and then starts raining fucking hell on everyone like every shithead like Eliot Abrams and John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and John Kelly and and a bunch of other known war criminals that HE FUCKING APPOINTED have wanted from the start.
He made fun of John Bolton to his face over his desires for war with Iran. He fired him. He's hamstrung his war criminals all along. John Kelly is gone as well. Eliot Abrams did nothing for Trump's failed attempts in Venezuela and Bolivia. You lose again, you have no point, no evidence, nothing but emotional investment in ideology.
You don’t have a crystal ball, you just sound like a jackass making these proclamations.
What proclamations? You sound like a fucking tool calling reasonable predictions based on past behavior, statements, and so on proclamations. Who's the jackass? The one offering evidence and trying to reach logical conclusions in a situation that anyone knows cannot be predicted with 100% certainty? Or the person going around saying "woe is us we cannot know".
I don't claim to know. I never have. I just said given past performance and what we know it is reasonable to assume Trump is a bad imperialist and from that we can extrapolate his position relative to Biden.
Every decision in life is a gamble but we cannot sit here with analysis paralysis biting our fingernails like in a cartoon and nervously repeating how it would be irresponsible to speculate or act.
Come back another time if you'd ever like to actually address points instead of sputtering like an angry child. Because honestly I don't know where to start with your post, you seem to be failing to grasp so many concepts I take for granted that aren't just Marxist concepts that well I don't want to spend hours here replying to you.
This is utterly fucking moronic, and it's all based on the unsupported notion that A) a serious domestic collapse means that the 600 foreign military bases just suddenly disappear overnight, never to be used again, and following that B) you know how a deranged lunatic like Trump is going to respond to a domestic collapse, and that it means definitively that the rest of the world will be left out of this. What is this based on? Daft wishful thinking.
We really need to stop with this shit acting like we have any fucking remote clue how the next 4 years are going to play out. We have two dementia addled racist imperialists as options who both despise us. The potential outcomes for either candidate are overwhelmingly extremely fucking bad, and anyone doing this fucking stupid routine of "ohh well I know that we need to support Biden because of climate change and covid" as if this asshole has ANY fucking actual plan for either of those much less the desire to actually expend the political capital to do so, or "oh well you see I'M the clever guy in the room who knows that Trump is the right pick because he's bad at imperialism" as if there's not any possibility that this insecure narcissist won't decide in the next four years "everyone's saying I'm bad at war, I'll show them" and then starts raining fucking hell on everyone like every shithead like Eliot Abrams and John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and John Kelly and and a bunch of other known war criminals that HE FUCKING APPOINTED have wanted from the start. You don't have a crystal ball, you just sound like a jackass making these proclamations.
Ableism and boring liberal notions about Trump being a lunatic do not profit your position.
Oh wow imperialism is just having foreign bases, once those go away it's gone, you are so smart, you should have told Lenin that so he wouldn't have to write a long book. sigh liberalism and being upvoted, why am I not surprised. I'm not going to give you a basic class in imperialism and empire because I feel it would be an incredible waste of my time. So I instead urge you to self-educate.
Trump is not a lunatic. He's a racist, a reactionary, his brain is not in the best of shape, he's narcissistic, he has an authoritarian personality and so on and so forth. He has acted for the most part rationally within his irrational framework of a worldview. That his worldview is irrational is not really the point as liberalism as a worldview is itself irrational and this can be applied to most American politicians and the mere fact we're facing climate catastrophe. Rational in the sense of self interest and little else.
Listen here. I never claimed the collapse would come during Trump's term. I tend to doubt it would, I just think is hastens things a little. If you're making that claim then I'm afraid you're the one with unsupported notions. As to the rest of the world being left out of it. So what if they aren't? What's your solution? Reformism? snort Just letting the hostage taker keep the world hostage for another century? Sometimes there are no clean ways to deal with something wrong, doesn't mean you don't need it done. Rip the band-aid off. The fact is America is headed for a bad place. This is not the doing of scheming ML's, this is an inherent result of capitalism and the rot of the empire. All that can happen with Biden or Trump is change the circumstances somewhat. So do you want a collapsing US with lots of alliances intact? Or one that has burned its bridges and driven many allies into a more neutral position because they no longer consider the US reliable and aren't willing to go in on its shenanigans? I'll take the latter.
You seem to struggle to read. I outlined partially what my thinking is based on which is his behavior, that of his rival, certain contradictions, etc.
Of course we have no idea how they're going to play out but we can make certain somewhat rational assumptions based on past actions, apparent ideology, etc. Did I lay out an exact plan?
Listen liberal. Deny to me that the US is leaving several UN and international organizations which are scheduled to take place in Trump's second term? Deny it to me. This is a fact. You are hamstrung by your ignorant, foolish, liberal ideology which has infected you with this notion that Trump is completely unpredictable. No one is completely predictable. It's not an argument.
He is demonstrably so. You haven't disputed any of my points. Like a petulant child without anything to turn to you throw insults and insinuations of ignorance while not debunking my analysis nor offering any of your own. Go fuck yourself.
Liberals have said this for 4 fucking years. You can't just say "well it could happen" and count that as a logical debate point to past performance and demonstrated ideological aversion to war, e.g. his making fun of Bolton to his face about wanting to go to war, his statements to the press in interviews before he became a politician. Motherfucker please. Your ignorance is not a weapon nor a shield.
He made fun of John Bolton to his face over his desires for war with Iran. He fired him. He's hamstrung his war criminals all along. John Kelly is gone as well. Eliot Abrams did nothing for Trump's failed attempts in Venezuela and Bolivia. You lose again, you have no point, no evidence, nothing but emotional investment in ideology.
What proclamations? You sound like a fucking tool calling reasonable predictions based on past behavior, statements, and so on proclamations. Who's the jackass? The one offering evidence and trying to reach logical conclusions in a situation that anyone knows cannot be predicted with 100% certainty? Or the person going around saying "woe is us we cannot know".
I don't claim to know. I never have. I just said given past performance and what we know it is reasonable to assume Trump is a bad imperialist and from that we can extrapolate his position relative to Biden.
Every decision in life is a gamble but we cannot sit here with analysis paralysis biting our fingernails like in a cartoon and nervously repeating how it would be irresponsible to speculate or act.
Come back another time if you'd ever like to actually address points instead of sputtering like an angry child. Because honestly I don't know where to start with your post, you seem to be failing to grasp so many concepts I take for granted that aren't just Marxist concepts that well I don't want to spend hours here replying to you.
lol