Vietnam showed that the public is a great threat to the war effort. Governments will not allow media to show what warfare is really like nor how the war is actually developing.
Liberals have never forgiven wikileaks for showing American soldiers celebrating the deaths of civilians, and during Obama’s presidency no less! “But do you mean to say that the adults in the room murder people for money? But that’s absurd! That would mean that American society is just run by a glorified psychotic mafia! And that I’ve been helping them commit mass murder my entire life!”
that’s absurd! That would mean that American society is just run by a glorified psychotic mafia! And that I’ve been helping them commit mass murder my entire life!”
The likely western reaction to realising the scope of the carnage would probably be an even more fervent war craze: "Evil Putler genocided a hundred thousand innocent Ukrainians! We must give Ukraine a death star so they can guard our Aryan garden from the Asiatic hordes!"
Americans were mostly against Vietnam because a bunch of their family and friends were coming back in bodybags
And because the draft was more "impartial" in the sense that middle-class white people were sent to die instead of the "volunteer" military we have now where recruiters target poor and disenfranchised minorities to become the foot soldiers fed to the meat grinder while the officers are still upper-middle class college graduates (especially those from the places like the Naval Academy, West Point, or the Air Force Academy).
We saw with the second Iraq War that Americans didn't really care too much because the well-off upper middle class people just sent their kids to college while the poor black and white people got sent to die in Iraq.
Like you said, Ukranian casualties don't even matter so I guess this is the evolution of imperial warfare (impartial draft > volunteer army > foreign proxies).
Actually the draft made the composition of the army much more poor/diverse in racial backgrounds. The enlisted army being entirely or primarily poor people in America is a myth and complete pro-soldier cope. American soldiers are richer than the average American, and they primarily come from a caste of upper middle class career warriors from career warrior families.
Only when the empire is forced to use conscription. As long as they can use mercenaries, proxies, intel officers and enlistees then there will never be a public mass movement against imperialism. Americans are just too chauvinist to care unless their skin is in the game.
Vietnam showed that the public is a great threat to the war effort. Governments will not allow media to show what warfare is really like nor how the war is actually developing.
Liberals have never forgiven wikileaks for showing American soldiers celebrating the deaths of civilians, and during Obama’s presidency no less! “But do you mean to say that the adults in the room murder people for money? But that’s absurd! That would mean that American society is just run by a glorified psychotic mafia! And that I’ve been helping them commit mass murder my entire life!”
Mass murder is fine as long as it's polite
A society of polite nazis that doesn't even care if (at least) a million of its own people die from the plague
If Smedley Butler can come around, almost anyone can.
Two time Medal of Honor winner and he’d say it was to push America interest abroad, in a bad way.
Americans were mostly against Vietnam because a bunch of their family and friends were coming back in bodybags
I don't think any amount of Ukrainian casualties would make any big difference in American perception
The likely western reaction to realising the scope of the carnage would probably be an even more fervent war craze: "Evil Putler genocided a hundred thousand innocent Ukrainians! We must give Ukraine a death star so they can guard our Aryan garden from the Asiatic hordes!"
And because the draft was more "impartial" in the sense that middle-class white people were sent to die instead of the "volunteer" military we have now where recruiters target poor and disenfranchised minorities to become the foot soldiers fed to the meat grinder while the officers are still upper-middle class college graduates (especially those from the places like the Naval Academy, West Point, or the Air Force Academy).
We saw with the second Iraq War that Americans didn't really care too much because the well-off upper middle class people just sent their kids to college while the poor black and white people got sent to die in Iraq.
Like you said, Ukranian casualties don't even matter so I guess this is the evolution of imperial warfare (impartial draft > volunteer army > foreign proxies).
Actually the draft made the composition of the army much more poor/diverse in racial backgrounds. The enlisted army being entirely or primarily poor people in America is a myth and complete pro-soldier cope. American soldiers are richer than the average American, and they primarily come from a caste of upper middle class career warriors from career warrior families.
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Well that and socialists at the front organising mutinies
The only good american soldier is a defector
I'll settle for a mutineer tbh, but at that point is there really a difference?
Or ones that frag their CO
all the love to them
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Only when the empire is forced to use conscription. As long as they can use mercenaries, proxies, intel officers and enlistees then there will never be a public mass movement against imperialism. Americans are just too chauvinist to care unless their skin is in the game.