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  • Noughmad@programming.dev
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    10 months ago

    Do you really think that giving in to invaders demands will bring peace? Just like it did in 2014, like it did in 2008, and like it did in 1938?

    And yes, before you bring up the US, the same applies there. We should have been more firmly against Bush's wars. Because this stuff does transfers - letting one invader invade without punishment will only encourage everyone else (including the US) to do the same. Do you really want to send a message to the US, to France, to China, to Israel, that they can invade other countries without repercussions? Because if you advocate for peace with Russia, that is exactly what you're doing.

    • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      Do really think not giving in to an invader will bring peace? Hmm, I don't know. Kind of a dumb question if you're not going to examine any context. Also, do really think setting some kind of precedent matters. Capital will pursue its interests even while you gasp in horror and clutch your pearls about the violation of what you decided are the norms. Grow up.

      I actually have a question for you. Do you think the richest countries in the west that already pillaged Russia in recent history, ruining over 100 million lives, stealing so much of the former Soviet Union's collective wealth that they cratered life expectancy, should be supported as they expand a military alliance in Russia's borders so they can do it again?

      • Noughmad@programming.dev
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        10 months ago

        Do really think not giving in to an invader will bring peace? Hmm, I don’t know. Kind of a dumb question if you’re not going to examine any context. Also, do really think setting some kind of precedent matters. Capital will pursue its interests even while you gasp in horror and clutch your pearls about the violation of what you decided are the norms. Grow up.

        Yes. Precedent matters, not in the legal sense, but in the sense of what a possible invader expects to happen. Capital will pursue its interests, but only by fighting back do we show that it's in their interest to not invade random countries.

        Do you think the richest countries in the west that already pillaged Russia in recent history, ruining over 100 million lives, stealing so much of the former Soviet Union’s collective wealth that they cratered life expectancy, should be supported as they expand a military alliance in Russia’s borders so they can do it again?

        Now that's the most loaded question I've seen in a while. It's not the "west" being supported here, it's Ukraine. You may be confused as to which way the money flows, and who requested it.

        Second, you are similarly confused about how the west is expanding (by which you probably mean NATO). The US did not invade and conquer Poland, instead Poland was begging to join. Same with Turkey. Same with the Baltic countries, and now Sweden and Finland. Do you know why they all wanted to join?

        Oh, and finally when did the west pillage Russia? And more importantly, how did they pillage Russia? If you believe that the US was able to control Russia so well in the 1990s, how do you know Putin is not their puppet now?

        • Goadstool [he/him, comrade/them]
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          10 months ago

          Oh, and finally when did the west pillage Russia? And more importantly, how did they pillage Russia?

          Honestly, it's actually really hard to read this question and not just boggle at the ignorance. Without even trying to be rude, it's like asking us to write a tome - just for you - to explain the most basic and obvious thing.

          Even though I feel confident you're locked into the worldview you've had plastered over your eyes, if you want an actual answer to your question that won't take some poor chump here on Hexbear a whole day to write, this video will do a good job explaining some of it. I genuinely hope you will at least take some of the information in.

        • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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          10 months ago

          How do you not know about the looting of the former Soviet Union? Do you know literally anything? Why do you feel qualified to talk at all on this subject when you are so insanely ignorant

          • Vncredleader [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            That and of course the multiple literal invasions during the Russian Civil War. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfmqvkwZzGQ

        • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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          10 months ago

          Precedent matters, not in the legal sense, but in the sense of what a possible invader expects to happen.

          Ok, so what precedent does fighting back have in leading to peace? Even WWII, the alleged war to end all wars, only created peace for central Europe.