• Lmon [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    As to why what is happening? A pro-independence campaign group gaining a few thousand members?

    There was an election in Wales just a few months ago, and the Tories got one of their best ever results, while Plaid (the main pro-independence party) fell below 10% for the first time in decades. There would need to be a massive surge in support for both independence and pro-independence parties for it to even become a realistic possibility, and there really isn't much sign of either.

    I know Britain is a shithole country and we deserve all the criticism we get, but it's incredibly cringe when American lefties pick out random regions and start white knighting them on the assumption that everyone there is an oppressed socialist. It's also kind of insulting to many of Britain's actual former colonies to keep acting as if Scotland and Wales are being treated the same as they were. Like, Scottish and Welsh people can vote, and they don't have a history of massive man-made famines, and they have autonomous governments that aren't controlled by minority settler populations.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I think you're being a bit harsh on them. By no means do I mean this is happening immediately, but movements are movements. What has begun now won't stop unless serious reorganisation of the current contradictions causing this movement occurs. I do not see the British bourgeoisie taking that action because they simply have no reason to, Wales doesn't hold any value to them.

      This movement will grow and it will eventually blossom into a majority for independence as has occurred with Scotland now. It will take several years but you can basically call this right now, there is zero incentive for them to resolve the social conditions causing the movement to grow therefore grow it shall.

    • Sentnear [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I wouldn’t liken them to colonies, you are right it is certainly not that bad.

      I was mainly thinking that even though never voting anywhere near majority conservative these countries have to suffer many laws and changes imposed on them from England by tory controlled Westminster, despite their devolved governments.

      I can understand how having poverty imposed on them by a government that the country did not vote for could fuel an independence movement. Seeing as things aren’t going to change too soon I can only see this movement gaining more traction in wales.

      As for the labour losses last election, the situation was similar to the north where the main swing was lab to bxp resulting in more Tory seats. It was triggered by labours abandoning of Brexit. Whether this translates into a long term movement of Wales towards more reactionary politics, in my opinion, still remains to be seen.