Oh no, my miserable life that’s devoid of any connection and anyone altogether otherwise *at least contains a friend.

What the fuck man, is this a real concern average people have that I’m way too fucking alienated to understand

  • christiansocialist [none/use name]
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    This whole struggle session has made it crystal clear that the west is pretty much guaranteed to descend into fascism. A lot of people basically seem to knee-jerk dismiss concerns people have about being in the friend zone, and without a legitimate leftist response to this, tons of alienated young men are going to find their way to reactionary figures and basically become the foot soldiers of fascism. There needs to be more concrete help for these alienated guys other than saying "it's all capitalism's fault that you feel that way" or saying "oh you even mention the friend zone? tHaT mEaNs YoU'rE aN iNcEl!" I mean yes capitalism has really alienated us and commodified dating but that's not gonna help the lonely guy who gets rejected all the time other than in an intellectual way. Also telling him that "you should just be content with life" is also not helpful either. I mean yeah you can be all Buddhist about it but would you say that to other disenfranchised people as well? "Hey sorry about the discrimination but it's better to just be content with life." Is this what an AES nation would do? Sounds like some idealist western shit rather than a principled materialist approach that takes into account the realities on the ground. The USSR industrialized, developed, and got rid of cyclical famines. China lifted millions out of poverty. They didn't just say "it's capitalism's fault that you're homeless" and then just leave it at that, they actually did concrete stuff. There needs to be concrete action done to deal with this issue other than mockery/dunking or simple platitudes like "hey just be yourself and be content."

    Anyways, like I've said before, the west is doomed.

    amerikkka amerikkka-clap

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      • christiansocialist [none/use name]
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        At this point the word incel has basically multiple meanings. It can be a legitimate state of being (in fact the person who came up with the term was a woman) or a knee-jerk insult. It's basically just like the term tankie.

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    • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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      No, those who are lead to reactionary figures is irregardless of dating someone. That’s literally not related. Not to mention so many of these people that complain about this are below 22, at which dating is viewed as uncommon among most of the normal population anyway

      • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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        below 22, at which dating is viewed as uncommon among most of the normal population anyway

        ?? who is your normal population, most people I grew up with started dating in high school

        • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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          In the U$, I’ve found it uncommon to date before you finish your Bachelor’s degree. It is seen as not acceptable to your family and they will find it unacceptable and generallly looked down upon if you do so by other people as well. I haven’t had a single friend who did before 20 at the youngest

          • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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            Did you grow up in an immigrant and/or religious community? I grew up in a major US city and although it's not cool to outright shame somebody for being a virgin or "late bloomer", everybody thinks it's unusual. Marriage before degree is unusual though, at least among my PMC cohort.

      • christiansocialist [none/use name]
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        No, those who are lead to reactionary figures is irregardless of dating someone.

        That seems essentialistic.

        Not to mention so many of these people that complain about this are below 22, at which dating is viewed as uncommon among most of the normal population anyway

        ??? What are you talking about?

        • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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          It’s not essentiallistic . Thant’s just bullshit to claim that the reason they are conservative is that they were too awful for people to want to be around. It’s the other way around if anything