"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

  • Magician [he/him, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?

    Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

    Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.

    And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.

    It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.

    • milistanaccount09 [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.

        • milistanaccount09 [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          And in a world where modern psychology was founded upon the teaching that all young girls suffer from penis envy, most people think striving for masculinity seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Author and sex activist Patrick Califia, who is a trans man, addresses this in his 1997 book Sex Changes: The Politics of Transgenderism: “It seems the world is still more titillated by ‘a man who wants to become a woman’ than it is by ‘a woman who wants to become a man.’ The first is scandalous, the latter is taken for granted. This reflects the very different levels of privilege men and women have in our society. Of course women want to be men, the general attitude seems to be, and of course they can’t. And that’s that.”

          Once we recognize how media coverage of transsexuals is informed by the different values our society assigns to femaleness and maleness, it becomes obvious that virtually all attempts to sensationalize and deride trans women are built on a foundation of unspoken misogyny. Since most people cannot fathom why someone would give up male privilege and power in order to become a relatively disempowered female, they assume that trans women transition primarily as a way of obtaining the one type of power that women are perceived to have in our society: the ability to express femininity and to attract men.

          Whipping Girl, by Julia Serano

          • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            Transphobia directed at transmascs is also always mysogynist in nature. Its core concepts are toxic notions of masculinity seen as unfullfillable for AFAB individuals, the maintainance of control over AFAB bodies as reproductive units and sexual objects, and the denial of agency to AFAB individuals, all due to their assigned "female" gender. Terfs routinely claim that trans men and transmasculine nonbinary people are just "confused girls" making a mistake, the entire terf discourse around the issue hinges on the concept not to let people designated as broodmares decide what to do with their uteruses because they are too emotional and irrational to make choices for themselves. It doesn't get more mysogynist than that, which is ironic when the target of the mysogyny are men, but that's bio-essentialism for you. When you want to see how fully seperated any and all terfs have become from the feminist roots at least some of them used to have, how deeply and utterly mysogynist they have become, ask them about trans dudes.

        • VILenin [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          “Gay = Feminine” never made any sense to me. I’m gay as hell and I’ve never been anything close to feminine. It has literally zero basis outside of, I don’t know, cishet creep mentality?

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            In their minds it's simply because anyone that wants to get with a man is obviously taking on the feminine role, and that both men are feminine because of it.

            And the other side of it is probably campness being the one thing straight people could use to clock gay people, and campness becoming associated (incorrectly) with all gay people because of its visibility.

            • VILenin [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Guess that for the straights there are two orientations: straight and sexual/flamboyant.

              I’m basically like a stereotypical straight guy in every way except I happen to be gay (and without the creep attitude that seems incredibly common).

              That I don’t fit the stereotype has led to an “are you sure tho?” Groundhog Day. Like, motherfucker yes I’m sure, I don’t go around questioning your straightness and suggesting you try same sex relationships every other week. bordiga-despair

              Cishets need to be placed under clinical observation.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                1 year ago

                Right and this is a problem for trans people in a unique way too. The trans people that pass can blend so well that cis people don't think they even exist, and if they do they're actually ok with those people because they don't even register as "bad" to them, they can just pretend they don't exist and in doing so they don't threaten patriarchy at all because they're non-existent.

                The only idea of a trans person that exists in the head of cis people is those that do not pass. The ones they can clock. The ones that do not fit in the social design and patriarchy that they want.

                • VILenin [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  The intersection of transphobia and misogyny, but you’ll still get people who deny that intersectionality is a thing.

                  I am so exhausted with this heteronormative/cisnormative (I’m sure there’s another word for it but I can’t recall) society treating every LGBT person as some exotic animal, like there must be an explanation and you owe it to them for your deviation from the “norm”. Rabid queerphobes spewing their vitriol about the LGBTs controlling society when trans people are being murdered left and right. Disgusting, profoundly sick society.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Yes, trans men are being forced to compete against women against their will. They never cared about fairness, it's entirely about hurting trans people.

      • Outdoor_Catgirl [she/her, they/them]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah max beggs in Texas. Trans guy wrestler who absolutely dominated because transphobic Texas politicians made him compete vs women.

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          And then the transphobes can point to that and say "see, trans people should just be banned" when they're the assholes who caused all of this in the first place

          Fucking hate it here

      • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        The brain understands that they are not the same, and unfortunately never will be.

        There it is lol. thanks for nothing, bitch

        an ideal world is one where all the fascists and capitalists are laid out in a nice little line and mowed down with .50 cal's

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        "Period, end of story."

        "That being said..."

        You support trans people. BUT... is not support of trans people. Its not complicated. The science is not complicated, its settled and theres no difference.

        If you support trans peole stop at "end of story."

        Edit: i reread your post and its even worse than i thought at first glance. You're just an outright bigot in denial.

      • buckykat [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Women's figure skating was created because Madge Syers was too good and the men felt threatened.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        It's not complicated whatsoever.

        A transwoman is a woman, regardless of where they are in transition. They don't have to transition AT ALL for that to be true.

        They are a woman with a condition - being trans.

        A trans man is a man, regardless of where they are in transition. They don't have to transition AT ALL for that to be true.

        They are a man with a condition - being trans.

        The only "complicated" thing in this is your bigoted mindset. You believe that these people are not what they say they are until they undergo and complete transition. You see them as their gender assigned at birth, which is incorrect, and you see them as "changing" their gender by undergoing invasive hormone treatment and surgery. This is a completely bigoted transphobic mindset and you need to rid yourself of these brainworms. brainworms

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            The issue is that you think they need to transition in order to be fucking valid dipstick. By enforcing "you must transition first" you are actively taking the position that they're not valid until they do.

            Fuck you. Stop talking to trans people. You are dangerous to them and their health.

      • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        when there is an @ after the username, you can be assured the chance of being a shit opinion is high

      • Gay_Tomato [they/them, it/its]
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        1 year ago

        There is no easy, fix all answer. It does not exist. You are left with a minority vs a majority. In an ideal world, yes, the answer would be easy and done with. We do not live in an ideal world.

        There an "easy fix." There is an "easy answer" and you know exactly what that is the same way that ghoul does. The reason we don't live in an "ideal world" is because people like you advocate for throwing minorities under the bus the moment our existence becomes even slightly inconvenient for you.

      • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Unless you believe that people will change their genders expressly for an advantage in sports, the differences aren't salient. And you shouldn't believe that.