They are the heroes of 9/11 - the passengers killed fighting their hijackers. But a new book claims they were shot down by U.S. fighter jets...and that the whole story is a cynical cover-up
Wasn't the US gov't pretty clear they'd shoot down planes if they had to that day though? I don't think it makes sense for them to say they'd do it, then shoot down a plane, and then try to cover it up. I don't think people even would have cared if they did, it's super easy for them to say they had to shoot it down and defend that point, especially to Americans.
To be fair you can stabilise a commercial plane really easily, it's the landing and taking off that's hard. If your goal is just to fly it in a straight line and not turn it at all then you just pull back on the controls and level the wings.
yeah listening to the "don't sink pull up" warnings works if that's the only thing on your mind at the moment, not when you're simultaneously attempting to subdue attackers and coordinating exfil in a 40m long metal tube
Pieces of plane and bodies don't bounce 8 miles away from an impact site though, unless the plane was actually shot and those pieces were scattered in the air. That's the clearest indicator in the whole story really.
Turns out that flying an actual plane is more complex than it is in a videogame. You've seen the inside of a cockpit, right? All those buttons and shit?
Now imagine you've got a bunch of adrenaline-addled people crammed in there trying to figure out what the fuck to do, knowing that if you fuck up you die and if you really fuck up more people than just the ones in the plane will die. None of these people know how hard to pull on the yoke.
They didn’t try and contact a tower to see if someone could walk them through it?
Why the fuck would a random ass person have any knowledge of how an airline radio system works? This is some Mark Wahlberg "if I was there I would've done a sweet barrel roll and landed in Times Square" stuff.
also there's two radios for nav and two for comms. changing the comms freq doesn't actually change the active comms freq you actually have to dial it in with ANOTHER button. if they were really flying for as long as it says they were they would also have been out of range of the local ARTCC or the attackers would have already made sure it was no longer in contact with ATC and the attackers would have surely disabled the xpndr.
people here are nuts. real life isn't Flight Sim. jesus
I mean the hijackers had mace and knives (I'm not sure on guns, which would be much harder to smuggle in but I think some hijackings before 9/11 had them now and then). Blinding the on-rush would've stopped someone from taking control. The hijackers/pilots that were in control having to fight back would make things harder to "control" the plane if letting go of the stick which would cause it to start to dive.
Unless the conflict/battle for control was done in like a minute or two, it's not impossible for the plane to start to nose-dive and possibly stall/downward spiral into a fight to control before the inevitable crash.
That isn’t what the official narrative says. I’ve listened to the black box recording before. What happened was that the hijackers, believing that the door wouldn’t hold, appeared to have crashed the plane to prevent the passengers from gaining control of the plane. Nowhere in the narrative does it say that the passengers took control of the plane and then crashed it
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Wasn't the US gov't pretty clear they'd shoot down planes if they had to that day though? I don't think it makes sense for them to say they'd do it, then shoot down a plane, and then try to cover it up. I don't think people even would have cared if they did, it's super easy for them to say they had to shoot it down and defend that point, especially to Americans.
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Why are you expecting random people to be able to fly a plane
To be fair you can stabilise a commercial plane really easily, it's the landing and taking off that's hard. If your goal is just to fly it in a straight line and not turn it at all then you just pull back on the controls and level the wings.
yeah listening to the "don't sink pull up" warnings works if that's the only thing on your mind at the moment, not when you're simultaneously attempting to subdue attackers and coordinating exfil in a 40m long metal tube
Okay... but we're talking people fired up on adrenaline and panicking and arguing over who's best to do it.
Pieces of plane and bodies don't bounce 8 miles away from an impact site though, unless the plane was actually shot and those pieces were scattered in the air. That's the clearest indicator in the whole story really.
Flight computers are a wonderful thing.
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Turns out that flying an actual plane is more complex than it is in a videogame. You've seen the inside of a cockpit, right? All those buttons and shit?
Now imagine you've got a bunch of adrenaline-addled people crammed in there trying to figure out what the fuck to do, knowing that if you fuck up you die and if you really fuck up more people than just the ones in the plane will die. None of these people know how hard to pull on the yoke.
Why the fuck would a random ass person have any knowledge of how an airline radio system works? This is some Mark Wahlberg "if I was there I would've done a sweet barrel roll and landed in Times Square" stuff.
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Alright, fair enough.
also there's two radios for nav and two for comms. changing the comms freq doesn't actually change the active comms freq you actually have to dial it in with ANOTHER button. if they were really flying for as long as it says they were they would also have been out of range of the local ARTCC or the attackers would have already made sure it was no longer in contact with ATC and the attackers would have surely disabled the xpndr.
people here are nuts. real life isn't Flight Sim. jesus
The official story has nothing to do with the passengers controlling the plane
I mean the hijackers had mace and knives (I'm not sure on guns, which would be much harder to smuggle in but I think some hijackings before 9/11 had them now and then). Blinding the on-rush would've stopped someone from taking control. The hijackers/pilots that were in control having to fight back would make things harder to "control" the plane if letting go of the stick which would cause it to start to dive.
Unless the conflict/battle for control was done in like a minute or two, it's not impossible for the plane to start to nose-dive and possibly stall/downward spiral into a fight to control before the inevitable crash.
That isn’t what the official narrative says. I’ve listened to the black box recording before. What happened was that the hijackers, believing that the door wouldn’t hold, appeared to have crashed the plane to prevent the passengers from gaining control of the plane. Nowhere in the narrative does it say that the passengers took control of the plane and then crashed it
Dick Cheney had authorised planes to be shot down and thought that the US had already shot three down that morning.