there's videos of Rumsfeld talking about 9/11 where he says something like "we need to strike back against those people who flew those planes into the world trade center & pentagon, and those people who shot down flight 93 over pennsylvania" which has always seemed to me like he got confused about what actually happened vs the official story lol
edit: i found the video
Wasn't the US gov't pretty clear they'd shoot down planes if they had to that day though? I don't think it makes sense for them to say they'd do it, then shoot down a plane, and then try to cover it up. I don't think people even would have cared if they did, it's super easy for them to say they had to shoot it down and defend that point, especially to Americans.
To be fair you can stabilise a commercial plane really easily, it's the landing and taking off that's hard. If your goal is just to fly it in a straight line and not turn it at all then you just pull back on the controls and level the wings.
yeah listening to the "don't sink pull up" warnings works if that's the only thing on your mind at the moment, not when you're simultaneously attempting to subdue attackers and coordinating exfil in a 40m long metal tube
Okay... but we're talking people fired up on adrenaline and panicking and arguing over who's best to do it.
Pieces of plane and bodies don't bounce 8 miles away from an impact site though, unless the plane was actually shot and those pieces were scattered in the air. That's the clearest indicator in the whole story really.
Turns out that flying an actual plane is more complex than it is in a videogame. You've seen the inside of a cockpit, right? All those buttons and shit?
Now imagine you've got a bunch of adrenaline-addled people crammed in there trying to figure out what the fuck to do, knowing that if you fuck up you die and if you really fuck up more people than just the ones in the plane will die. None of these people know how hard to pull on the yoke.
They didn’t try and contact a tower to see if someone could walk them through it?
Why the fuck would a random ass person have any knowledge of how an airline radio system works? This is some Mark Wahlberg "if I was there I would've done a sweet barrel roll and landed in Times Square" stuff.
also there's two radios for nav and two for comms. changing the comms freq doesn't actually change the active comms freq you actually have to dial it in with ANOTHER button. if they were really flying for as long as it says they were they would also have been out of range of the local ARTCC or the attackers would have already made sure it was no longer in contact with ATC and the attackers would have surely disabled the xpndr.
people here are nuts. real life isn't Flight Sim. jesus
The official story has nothing to do with the passengers controlling the plane
That isn’t what the official narrative says. I’ve listened to the black box recording before. What happened was that the hijackers, believing that the door wouldn’t hold, appeared to have crashed the plane to prevent the passengers from gaining control of the plane. Nowhere in the narrative does it say that the passengers took control of the plane and then crashed it
I mean the hijackers had mace and knives (I'm not sure on guns, which would be much harder to smuggle in but I think some hijackings before 9/11 had them now and then). Blinding the on-rush would've stopped someone from taking control. The hijackers/pilots that were in control having to fight back would make things harder to "control" the plane if letting go of the stick which would cause it to start to dive.
Unless the conflict/battle for control was done in like a minute or two, it's not impossible for the plane to start to nose-dive and possibly stall/downward spiral into a fight to control before the inevitable crash.
Dick Cheney had authorised planes to be shot down and thought that the US had already shot three down that morning.
Now, Ireland's a very funny place, sir, it's a strange and a troubled land
Feels a little weird liking IRA songs as an Anglo but they have too many good ones, that one is a banger.
My cousin is from the same town the "let's roll" guy went to college. A really Christian conservative college. They named a bench after him. One of those weird molded plastic benches you'd see at swimming pools except they made his extra long for some reason. I was visiting from out of state and way into skateboarding at the time. We went to the college campus to look for spots and saw this ridiculously long bench made of that plastic that was basically wax and you could grind on it for days. So we started skating it. Eventually some rent a cop showed up and said "do you know whose bench you're vandalizing?" Without pause, my cousin's friend said, "Yeah. He's my brother. I think he'd want us to skate it." We got kicked out but it was hilarious. After researching that college I would not be surprised at all if they scanned the flight logs for somebody they could prop up as a good old american christian hero. Super anecdotal and not to be taken too seriously, but that place has a real cultish vibe to it.
I disagree with this thesis, mainly because I think that the CIA would have had to have found a way to ensure the silence of the entire town which the plane crashed over. There are numerous witnesses from shanksburg who heard the plane crash. You think one of them would have mentioned a second explosion before the crash, say, of a missile striking the plane. Also, the plane would have likely fragmented. We have proof of this occurring, such as the MH17 shootdown over Ukraine. Dutch government investigators concluded that the plane broke up after being struck by a missile. Flight 93 would have broken up in air if it was hit by a missile. But does it even matter anyways if they shot it down or not? I have conspiracy brain as well, but who honestly cares about the official narrative? The events are the events. The plane crashed. But if we do want to squabble, I do want to ask about the proof that the aircraft was shot down, and it will take more than an unsourced daily mail article to convince me.
