We're as atomized and alienated as ever, but now we also can't afford to buy a house or raise kids. Libs will celebrate this.

  • FoolishPosadas [any]
    1·
    4 years ago

    House flippers are very different from home owners. Flippers are basically in the same category as Landlords.

      • Young_Lando [none/use name]
        1·
        4 years ago

        I would agree with this. The thing is, with regular recessions the collapse of housing markets as a result of over-financialization, not even these people can seriously make bread in the long term. They're bound to get crushed. Educating working class people on how to save their money and not blow it on capital assets is part of our job.

          • Young_Lando [none/use name]
            1·
            4 years ago

            There are ways to invest money that don't involve becoming the oppressor and exploiting the fuck out of people.

            I'm not saying you get Central Park if you own stock or a house or some shit. I'm saying don't create more systems of oppression in your pursuit to survive and thrive in this hellworld.

              • Pezevenk [he/him]
                1·
                4 years ago

                Everyone who has a 401k is evil, but you need a 401k to have a decent shot at retirement. It’s not worker’s fault, but that doesn’t change the reality.

                Weird.

                The fact that we all have to sell our souls and that it doesn’t have to be this way is how you get people to be Communists.

                Yeah, telling people they are evil for owning a home but don't worry because you could stop being evil under socialism is not a great way to turn people into communists.

                A great way to do that however is what leftists did here when the state decided that prior safeguards preventing "primary residence" forfeiture should be abolished to appease our creditors and the IMF. Primary residence basically means the house you live in. The bank was allowed to take any other houses you might own, but not your primary residence, it was supposed to be a safe guard to help evil petit bourgeois ordinary people who owned the house they live in and nothing more from being thrown out of their residence. What leftists did was show up at the forfeitures and auctions and obstruct them. It was one of the most successful ideas of recent years, it protected many people (at least for some time) and it was widely approved by everyone from anarchists to just regular family people who weren't into swallowing boots whole. And it is something we weren't going to do if we thought home owners were evil capitalists (which they aren't).

                  • Pezevenk [he/him]
                    1·
                    4 years ago

                    They don't "lose money" because they aren't selling their home, because they live in it. They don't care. That is what I'm telling you. Most people who own one house that they live in (with some exceptions, although there are opposite exceptions of people who own more than one house) don't care to sell their house or rent it out, because again, that would probably be more of a hassle than it is worth for them, since they'd have to move all their stuff, go somewhere else that they probably don't like as much, and have to pay rent PLUS the taxes they already have to pay for owning a house, so unless their house is already very expensive (in which case they are indeed hard to radicalize, because they're already fucking rich and it's not who we are talking about). Idk why you are acting you found some deep truth or something, it's just not the case.

                      • Pezevenk [he/him]
                        1·
                        4 years ago

                        They haven't "become", they have been that way for a long time, including when Marx was alive. Idk how I can convince you because you have a weird view of working class home owners that doesn't really correspond to reality.