• T_Doug [he/him]
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    I reworded my last point because it was ill thought out the way I wrote it.

    not evil per se, but it’s not ok either and they should stop

    This seems like the sort of individualistic narrative that is so common to Liberal rhetoric around issues like Climate change. "Climate Change occurs because people are selfish and unwilling to lower their personal carbon footprint". "Empire is perpetuated because people are selfish and unwilling to quit their job when it contributes to Imperialism".

    In both cases using moralistic rhetoric to try and bully people into making personal sacrifices is rarely successful, both in its goal and in creating a political movement. And more importantly, it sidesteps the fact that these are systemic issues, with systemic solutions alone.

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      So because there's systematic forces at play, individuals are completely absolved from any wrongdoing? Because climate change is a global issue I should just roll coal and anyone disagreeing with me is a moralising asshole?

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        No but I won't call you evil if you drive a car, which is the equivalent of blaming a Steel worker for Imperialism and telling them they should just stop working.

        Rolling coal is an act of deliberate harm done for no material benefit, it is not be the same as the unavoidable pollution which one contributes to in the course of their day.

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        Actually yes because companies try to distance themselves from the issue by propagating the idea that efforts against climate change should focus on individual actions that gives you a free pass for throwing your trash in the ocean and burning down a couple trees.

        Additionally all pollution caused by companies is 100% unnecessary and none of it is due to individuals actively and repeatedly demanding stupid shit that causes pollution. Once we switch the communism button, we can keep producing the exact same things except with no pollution. Individuals will never have to change anything and they certainly shouldn't start now.