"I'm also a Marxist-Leninist."

liberalism

Both are socialists. I don't think we do ourselves any favors by saying that one of the prominent left politicians in America, who is despised by the Democratic party elite, is a "fake" socialist. Evo and AOC are both important courageous leftists.

The differences between them aren't even that extreme. Evo Morales isn't a Marxist-Leninist or anything, he governed as a moderate reformer and actually was protested by the left for being disappointing on a number of things and not going far enough.

These people are the opportunists you've been warned about. Stop defending them. They're less than useless.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
      4·
      4 years ago

      It's literally not infighting. NJR's a liberal who's gone on record plenty of times saying that he opposes actual socialism. We're not even on the same side. He obfuscates what socialism means, he tells people that Scandinavia's socialist but Cuba isn't, he says a bunch of chauvinistic bullshit (like in this tweet), spreads anticommunist propaganda, and he's got a decently sized platform. For people like me who think that his style of politics is going to get us nowhere, but who think past movements that he condemns were actually a good model, this is a problem. I gotta say, it's not great!

      Pointing out all of this is good, I think. I don't really see how it's going to turn anyone off who isn't already totally married to his style of left liberalism, and hopefully it can let people know that his slice of the DemSucc ecosystem is a dead end.

      But also: he annoys me so I like to complain about him - and so do a bunch of other people.

      It’s the dunk tank.

      This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

    • late90smullbowl [they/them]
      3·
      4 years ago

      after 10 years in the city I'm now living in a deprived rural environment. the culture shock is insane. illuminati, q, anti abortion are daily topics of conversation. every day.

      someone like NJR representing anything left is poison.

      people here live in shit, and they kow it, and seeing an ivy league cosplay performance of pg wodehouse telling them about how to think is poison.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
        5·
        4 years ago

        You're never going to get one media outlet that appeals perfectly to everyone. Someone who appeals to the tastes of Q people might be just as absurd to a lot of other groups with the potential to turn left.

        What's the practical implication here, anyway? "No, you can't start a socialist media outlet unless you meet our undefined dress code?" That seems counterproductive.