Don't know much about trotskyists today, but Trotsky pretty famously supported the CCP over the KMT while Stalin was still pro KMT.
how do they justify the switch?
Have you tought about if these big socialist revolutions tried to actually abolish classes oh wait we have to wait like 50 years to develop the productive forces and hope that the state isnt hijacked by evil opportunists
I don’t think Stalin’s purges were justified, I think he was a paranoid sociopath whose desire for personal power set the Soviet Union on the path that eventually lead to its collapse.
I have a response for this, but you’re obviously all wound up after that person told you to read a book. I suggest you log off, take a walk or something, and we can talk about the successes and failures of the Soviet experiment in a couple hours or something.
I m ready to have a talk lets fucking go if you can change my opinion on the authoritarian system of the state youre wrong and the post ww2 ussr didnt even manage to help the third world movement the only reason youre even posting is because you think they did something right but we can all see how the state destoyed itself
Probably because it was an improvised attempt to build socialism out of a preindustrial peasant state during one of the most chaotic periods of history, at the end of which the only unscathed major power happened to be radically anticommunist and rich from war profiteering.
Enver_hoxha, I will die for you. Say the word, and I will retreat to the mountains and declare a protracted people’s war against the moderators of chapo.chat
Fuck you we all see how the ussr was never led by the workers as a class. They had elections like we do, they had some kind of collectivisation leading to famine, they never answered the question of state power that is always the deciding factor on WHO runs the nation and look at what happened couple dictators later they fell and everyone sufered they were fucking cowards too imagine if China and ussr actually supported the 3rd world movement
Anti-USSR, anti-Cuba, occasionally anti-China pre-reform, definitely anti-China post-reform. Pro-colour-revolution. Occasionally pro-ISIS.
Maybe ‘everything’ is the wrong word. ‘The vast majority’?
Don't know much about trotskyists today, but Trotsky pretty famously supported the CCP over the KMT while Stalin was still pro KMT. how do they justify the switch?
The Soviet (and even CPC) line was ‘work with the national bourgeoisie in a united front against Japanese imperialism’.
The Chinese trot line was ‘fight reaction all the time’.
anti whatever tankies dont like being critizised thanks now i understand
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Because the soviet union was so anti-imperialist
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Lol history didnt follow lenins writings
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Have you tought about if these big socialist revolutions tried to actually abolish classes oh wait we have to wait like 50 years to develop the productive forces and hope that the state isnt hijacked by evil opportunists
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We need dictator to lead the masses towards victory
read a book
Take a look at what happened to the soviet union
read a book
Where is my socialist utopia? If only it wasnt for thsoe medling yankees we could have it
read a book
Why wont you answer?
lol, says the fucking queen of deflection
suck my whole ass, and then read a book
Why do you think the ussr wasnt doomed from the start?
read a book
Why cant you answer? I throw these questions and you just tell me to read a book you have read them right?
read a book
lol fucking pathetic cant even defend your position with made up bullshit
read a book
I tought so
read a book
and you called me the queen of deflection
and it was true, I've seen what happens when people engage with you
read a book
Youre already engaging with me and making yourself look like a fool
read a book
Of course it doesnt matter because this site is populated with genocidal assadists
read a book
Hey, stop doing this okay? You both are looking like idiots right now. It’s not worth it.
Youre the dumbest of us all fucking coward. Why were Stalins purges in any way justified?
I don’t think Stalin’s purges were justified, I think he was a paranoid sociopath whose desire for personal power set the Soviet Union on the path that eventually lead to its collapse.
It was doomed from the start. how could a paranoid authoritarian ever come to power and purge his political enemies in a worker controlled state
I have a response for this, but you’re obviously all wound up after that person told you to read a book. I suggest you log off, take a walk or something, and we can talk about the successes and failures of the Soviet experiment in a couple hours or something.
I m ready to have a talk lets fucking go if you can change my opinion on the authoritarian system of the state youre wrong and the post ww2 ussr didnt even manage to help the third world movement the only reason youre even posting is because you think they did something right but we can all see how the state destoyed itself
How much do you actually know about the history? Kind of a critical factor for the productivity of that discussion, thus the "read a book" comments.
Where is my soviet union? How could this vanguard of proletarian power get hijacked by opportunists and vanish so quickly
Probably because it was an improvised attempt to build socialism out of a preindustrial peasant state during one of the most chaotic periods of history, at the end of which the only unscathed major power happened to be radically anticommunist and rich from war profiteering.
And you still jerk off ussr after they established political control over russia and despite calling themselves socialists they also werent?
I don't jerk off the USSR though. I'm not sure who you think you're arguing with.
youre arguing in a thread where everyone jerks of the ussr
read a book
discourse on chapo.chat
yeah it would be alot better if these tankies got dealt with but that would bring the whole site down
log off
Stop defending the ussr
never
idk ma'am sounds kinda authoritarian
lmao fucking king shit in this thread
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Hey, stop doing this okay? You both are looking like idiots right now. It’s not worth it.
Im the one trying to have conversation but all these tankies are dodging it
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Cycle of bans from my anti authoritarian posting and tankie mods
Enver_hoxha, I will die for you. Say the word, and I will retreat to the mountains and declare a protracted people’s war against the moderators of chapo.chat
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I think history and past "socialist" experiements are a great reason to argue
Ok, make an effort post with sources about how the USSR was bad. Then people will actually engage with it.
Fuck you we all see how the ussr was never led by the workers as a class. They had elections like we do, they had some kind of collectivisation leading to famine, they never answered the question of state power that is always the deciding factor on WHO runs the nation and look at what happened couple dictators later they fell and everyone sufered they were fucking cowards too imagine if China and ussr actually supported the 3rd world movement
I didn't even say anything about the USSR. I just suggested making an effort post.
Shouldnt have posted then if you dont want to participate
I'd be happy to participate with an effort post.
I only post with all my effort
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Ignoring the fact that the Soviet Union did indeed abolish the capitalist classes...
https://i.imgur.com/miZ7GLY.png
because the state byreucracy gives no power that a class of people could project on another one
Did you have another account under the name "productiveforces"?
i did
Whats your favorite flavor of ice cream
The fall of the soviet union
I would've thought out ofall the flavors of ice cream in the world you could of chosen, you'd choose salt
Rubbing it into the wound of what could have been
A non-salty personality?
Communism
I prefer cookies and cream, myself.