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  • socialist [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Sate capitalism has only lead into capitalists gaining power again and it takes power directly away from the acual workers who are supposed to be running the country of course we need the central government for uuh what was it again? some shit about security?

    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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      nah, no security is needed

      global imperialist hegemony & economic exploitation & racial/gender oppression would just disappear and leave the revolution completely alone if only the workers just spontaneously & apropos of nothing wanted it.

      oh right, and they have to ask nicely enough, and the demands have to be agreed to by the capitalists, otherwise it's "authoritarian"!

      don't worry, I'm not ancap! I just don't want pesky "STATES" in my material conditions!

      the privately owned workplace and other things I don't understand can be addressed later if only we reject legal authority of any kind!

      • socialist [she/her]
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        How did the dictators and the state enforced hierarchy fucking go? Maybe its a time to look at what happened and move on from your texts that no one cares about anymore. Why would i need to read capital to understand that everyone has a right to housing and food and to not be opressed by any ruling hierarchies if im too utopian were not going to see anything promising like the early communist china or ussr again

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          you don't care about texts, you don't care about the success of past ML/socialist projects

          what exactly do you care about other than not having to work?

          • socialist [she/her]
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            I care about the tankies being wiped out their authoriatarianism didnt achieve the space race or anything like that instead they held all great that they could have become becuase they needed the state byreucracy to enforce their status

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              it "didn't achieve the space race"? is that your expert opinion?

              are you sure you're here in good faith?

              bureaucracy isn't exclusive to ML states of the 20th century.

              Nothing you're talking about is exclusive to ML states of the 20th century lol

              • socialist [she/her]
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                you just fucking refuse to see that the soviet union was more than just some fucking corrupt central party

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  and you refuse to see that you're wrong & USSR actually allowed for dissent elsewhere, and provided ballast to something like "social democracy" and Keynesianism taking firm root in the West lol

                  i didn't say USSR was perfect. but you're being needlessly contrarian just because you think you could build socialism without states

                  all I am saying is, prove it

                  offer one piece of evidence that USSR was evil. all you seem to be doing is providing evidence of your own anti-communism & lack of concern with economic exploitation

                  • socialist [she/her]
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                    The whole authoritarian experiement was failure from the start if they fucking repesented the poeple how could it degenerate in to the 80s and modern day russia i would ever only call the leaders like lenin or stalin evil ussr itself was just tool for the ruling class to project power