• vorenza [any]
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    4 years ago

    I thought antinatalism was "Someone can not consent to being born, thus i should not have children" as a moral point, not "HAVING CHILDREN IS LIKE OWNING A SLAVE"

      • vorenza [any]
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        4 years ago

        Something doesn't necessarly have to be a bad for your consent being important in receiving it.

          • AStonedApe [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            why are we assuming as a default that birth is bad

            Again, we're not. Consent is important, that's the only assumption being made here. No consent? Don't do it!

      • MerryChristmas [any]
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        4 years ago

        Not necessarily. The argument goes like this.

        • There is no moral obligation to produce a child even if we could be sure that it will be very happy throughout its life.
        • There is a moral obligation not to produce a child if it can be foreseen that it will be unhappy.
        • Because the quality of a potential child's life cannot be accurately predicted, the moral decision is to avoid having children.

        As someone who has spent a lot of time wishing they were never born, I agree with this to the extent that I don't personally feel comfortable bringing a child into the world. That's as far as I'm willing to extend this ideology, however, because it's far too easy to use the same logic to justify eugenics.

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            4 years ago

            It's neither better or worse - it's nothing. You wouldn't feel good or bad because there would be no you to experience feelings at all. For many people who have largely experienced existence as suffering, the idea of non-existence can actually be a comfort. It's totally fine if you see it differently, though.

    • IOKATH [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I'm an anti-natalist specifically because you cannot consent to being born. I however hate that the anti-natalist movement (is it even a movement?) is taken over by ecofash