Homie is threatening to shut down any businesses that aren't unionized lol. Chad move

  • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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    I mean Luka is still an anti-LGBT nationalist ghoul. This is good and most of his opposition are neoliberal ghouls but I’m not gonna start calling him “based” or whatever.

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      So are Palestinian freedom fighters and anti-imperialists in Iran and Syria. Its kinda funny that we hold people like Luka to higher standards mainly because he's white and European lol.

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          No, I just think it's kind of funny that people have no problem lending support to Iran, a country that executes people for homosexuality, without really talking much about the downsides but are big mad that Luka is a chauvinistic boomer (which he undoubtedly is).

          Very few countries outside of the imperial core are as progressive as we are on social issues, and I think that has to do with a clinging to tradition in the face of "cultural imperialism" from the west. When the main pro-LGBT organizations in your country are literally funded by the regime change arm of the US government, the cause is harmed rather than helped. This is a contradiction neoliberals love because then it essentially means you have to support their color revolutions if you want LGBT rights.

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            and I think that has to do with a clinging to tradition in the face of “cultural imperialism”

            It’s funny because homophobia was sometimes the result of western influence, like ancient Japan + China were somewhat chill with gay sex until Christian Euros showed up.

      • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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        I’ll take the position with Luka I take with other non leftist anti imperialists. I support them against imperialist but I’m not gonna call them “based” or some shit.

        Now if you want to argue Luka is a leftist (which yeah economically he’s something of a left populist but I don’t think he personally IDs as a socialist, nor does his party) guess I would say in those contexts a lot of times the leftists in those parts of the world are the most progressive on those issues even if on a global scale they lag somewhat behind. Luka being in Europe (albeit Eastern Europe) is behind what most leftists in that region embrace, so criticizing him from that axis would be legit.

        But also I don’t think anything I or you or anyone says here affects what’s happening over there so the point is kinda moot.

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      I mean Luka is still an anti-LGBT nationalist ghoul.

      It's funny how quickly Americans forget the anti-LGBT nationalist ghouls that were running our country.

      Oh, did I say "were"? I mean "are". The current US administration is rabidly anti-LGBT, as are numerous state-level administrators. Holy in the high holy fuck did America become the country that decides when you hate gays? Is this one of those "takes one to know one" situations?

      • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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        I mean, I ain’t calling Trump based either.

        I want Luka to “win”, I’m just not super stoked about it since an actual left opposition would be my ideal scenario but looks like that’s not happening so I’ll take what I can get.

        But at the end of the day I have not effect on what happens over there, nor does anyone I know so all my opinions are just Internet posting fotter.

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          I get all that. I'm simply disgusted with Americans pretend they get to arbitrate who is and is not LGBT-friendly, given how low we've set the bar within our own country.

          • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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            Oh yes, why I'm all for dunking on libs who think Middle Eastern countries having crap LGBT policies is a justification for bombing the fuck out of them. But yah know, can't really deny it's true that they do have crap LGBT policies and that is very much a bad thing, but Murica shoving it's imperialist dick is gonna fix fuck all with that as history has shown. Same is the case in Belarus, even if the opposition tries to act like they're more progressive on those issues we've seen how austerity in the former soviet union lead to the rise of far right reactionary groups who terrorize marginalized communities and in some cases like in poland have required actual real political power.

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              If Americans gave a shit about LGBT rights, their first impulse wouldn't be to bomb the shit out of everything.

              even if the opposition tries to act like they’re more progressive on those issues we’ve seen how austerity in the former soviet union lead to the rise of far right reactionary groups

              It leads to huge recessionary economies, mass unemployment, and a collapse in industry.

              But some yahoo gets to do a victory dance with an LGBT flag, like corporate raiders gutting the interior are a blessing so long as they come in wearing correctly coded kitche.

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                You’re taking a weirdly hostile tone with me considering that I’m agreeing with you.

      • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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        Why do you think I can't call a foreign leader anti-LGBT if my own country has anti-LGBT leaders. Its not like I support those leaders? I call them anti-LGBT too? This is like the exact same thing as can't complain about capitalism on an iPhone m'dude.