Yeah, but here's the thing, under "Traditional Belief" there are usually several positions. Optimistic universalism isn't a mainstream position, but it's been part of the church since the 500s. Similarly discussion on points not settled by doctrine, or where doctrine has proved insufficient is allowed and encouraged by church scholarship, because otherwise there would be no church scholarship.
Beliefs might not be accepted, they might even be officially considered wrong, but the church has several grades of formally stated erroneous positions that aren't considered heresy proper.
Yes, declaring the pope not to be catholic is probably heresy. It is at least propositio theologice erronea.
yes im aware, but my original point remains the same. heresy is defined by its departure from traditional belief and that is the only unifying concept behind all things which have been called heresies.
until such time as the church rules that the catholic pope is not, in fact, catholic, declaring him not to be can safely be called heresy as the traditional belief is that the catholic pope is, yknow, catholic. :che-laugh:
Yeah, but here's the thing, under "Traditional Belief" there are usually several positions. Optimistic universalism isn't a mainstream position, but it's been part of the church since the 500s. Similarly discussion on points not settled by doctrine, or where doctrine has proved insufficient is allowed and encouraged by church scholarship, because otherwise there would be no church scholarship.
Beliefs might not be accepted, they might even be officially considered wrong, but the church has several grades of formally stated erroneous positions that aren't considered heresy proper.
Yes, declaring the pope not to be catholic is probably heresy. It is at least propositio theologice erronea.
yes im aware, but my original point remains the same. heresy is defined by its departure from traditional belief and that is the only unifying concept behind all things which have been called heresies.
until such time as the church rules that the catholic pope is not, in fact, catholic, declaring him not to be can safely be called heresy as the traditional belief is that the catholic pope is, yknow, catholic. :che-laugh: