yea my mom is a catholic shit bag who suddenly doesnt want to listen to the pope and likes Trump more.
on the bright side, me and my sibling told her we arent coming to thanksgiving and she's hasnt texted since because shes still crying over a holiday celebrating rape and pillage.
US Catholics and heresy. Name a more iconic duo.
(Yes I know not agreeing with the Pope isn't heresy most of the time.)
its uh... its pretty heretical.
literally every form of belief that splits the church is heresy, because thats what heresy is. something that isnt the traditional belief.
Belief that spits the Church might be Schismatic, but isn't automatically heretical.
A diversity of opinion on things is allowed in the church, provided it doesn't go against official doctrine. For instance the Catholic Church has expressed a dislike of Teilhard De Chardin's views, but they're not heresy.
Saying the Pope outright isn't Catholic is possibly Heretical, but definitely Schismatic. Being Eastern Orthodox isn't heretical (as of a decade or so ago.) but is Schismatic.
this particular heresy isnt heresy because we decided its not heresy
even if we said it was heresy for centuries its definitely not heresy now because we say so.
yes these are definitely logical beliefs built upon a factual foundation and not at all an arbitrary demarcation of in-group amd out-group. calling it thats heresy!
Well, in the case of Eastern Orthodox it was a misinterpretation of theology caused by translation errors from Greek to Latin.
Similarly with Joan of Arc's conviction being overturned or Gaileo being absolved. The Church admitted the error.
It takes a few centuries, but the Catholics do, eventually, after much bloodshed and awfulness, admit when they were wrong.
yes im sure its very comforting to all the heretics thats have been murdered for their heresy that they arnt actually heretics.
heresies do get accepted and folded into the orthodox structure, and that may happen after many years or immediately depending on the politics of the time, but any departure from traditional belief is heresy until that belief is the tradition.
declaring the catholic pope to not be catholic is absolutely heresy
Yeah, but here's the thing, under "Traditional Belief" there are usually several positions. Optimistic universalism isn't a mainstream position, but it's been part of the church since the 500s. Similarly discussion on points not settled by doctrine, or where doctrine has proved insufficient is allowed and encouraged by church scholarship, because otherwise there would be no church scholarship.
Beliefs might not be accepted, they might even be officially considered wrong, but the church has several grades of formally stated erroneous positions that aren't considered heresy proper.
Yes, declaring the pope not to be catholic is probably heresy. It is at least propositio theologice erronea.
yes im aware, but my original point remains the same. heresy is defined by its departure from traditional belief and that is the only unifying concept behind all things which have been called heresies.
until such time as the church rules that the catholic pope is not, in fact, catholic, declaring him not to be can safely be called heresy as the traditional belief is that the catholic pope is, yknow, catholic. :che-laugh:
they still twisted that story to make it seem like he said yes i got hyped
It's more he doesn't know. Catholic doctrine states we can know that some people are definitely saved (Canonised Saints) but we can't know if someone goes to hell.
The Brits tried to trip up Joan of Arc with that point at her trial.
Here's the thing. Not a word of catholic doctrine has changed between Benadict and Francis. Francis isn't a progressive, he's a spin-doctor. He understands that the Catholic Church's image has taken a huge beating and requires rehabilitation, so he likes to talk about the more pleasant aspects of catholic theology. He knows exactly what he's doing, it's clear from the way he consistently dodges direct questions.
Right here, he's being extremely selective in his representation of the Catholic Church's stance on homosexuals . They absolutely still believe is that gay sex is a sin. So with that in mind, we can assemble a list of Catholic-approved life arrangements for homosexuals. The first option is lifelong celibacy. But not in the priesthood, you would have to lie about it to get in. The other option is to pretend to be straight and consummate a passionless heterosexual marriage.
...Those are the only two options, actually. So yes, they have the right to be in a family. Just not one where they can ever have an intimate partner.
Thank you! The media is incredibly reckless in how they report on Francis. They pick out just the right parts to make for a good headline, but when you dig into what Francis is actually saying and ignore the weasel words, you can see that he doesn't deviate much at all from standard catholic doctrine.
He’s been a fantastic PR guy for the perpetrators of exploitation
If you actually read Benedict he often comes across as more progressive than Francis on several issues. He just couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut.
Weird. I said it and I will say it again: Francis was EXTREMELY reactionary as a bishop. Don't know HOW he changed, but it is welcomed nontheless
yeah he's just savvy. this is just a way to stop the church from declining (which would lessen their power). the old boomer would've done good as a politician.
I don't know, but it is, unfortunately, the most possible outcome. I can just hope he is being serious in his acceptance, that way he might be more akin to the (very) primitive church, and Jesus, of course
He's a centrist Catholic. Yeah he fucked with the LibTheo branch but he's hardly a trad. He has moved left a little as well.
ngl, Avignon getting an anti-pope again would be the perfect ending for 2020
no fucking way. have you seen it? literal height of renaissance engineering, fucking beautiful
definitely get rid of Vatican City though, that shits stupid.
Got rid of my Facebook and I can’t stress how freeing it is not getting sent into a white hot rage seeing dumb shit conservatives and their takes on local news articles
Problem is it’s likely too late for me to get into the Catholic Church again and become Pope, because my initial plan was to become Pope and then declassify all the details about everything
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