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I miss DroneRights [it/its]
Removed by modIt always had such interesting stuff to say. It was banned recently. I think it should be unbanned and allowed back. It had such interesting perspectives on neurodiversity.
I always got wrecker vibes, right from the jump
It struck me a little close to "I identify as an attack helicopter" as a bit to be comfortable, imo, I was surprised the mods allowed them to post for so long on that alone
Forcing the "narcissistic is an ableist slur" struggle session on the second day also read as a reductio ad absurdum against the concept of ableism. Really not hard to imagine them just posting that on some chud site somewhere just to laugh at us for caring at all
I'm genuinely surprised the mods let it go on that long
ableist slurs are BY FAR the most normalized slurs. Incredibly common everyday words, phrases, and most intelligence or sanity based insults come from medical words for disabilities.
If someone who claims to have narcissistic personality disorder makes the arguement that "calling people narcissists as an umbrella term for bad, selfish people is ableist, and dehumanizes people who are aware of their NPD and struggle with it."
then take it in good faith
While I agree with your first statement, "narcissist" has been an insult for literally thousands of years before it was the name of a mental disorder. The problem here is that the medical community named a personality disorder after an existing word that means bad and selfish.
Yes, the medical community was also ableist in choosing the name of the disorder, but people living with it still deserve to not have their condition stigmatized. Language changes, and we should make a conscious effort to choose language in a non-ableist way.
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The medical community is influenced by the profit motive under capitalism. We need to do what we can to stand up for our comrades and create a less ableist world. The authorities in the medical establishment often perpetuate systemic ableism, and we need to do better than them.
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The point is that if a user says "hey I have NPD and the use of narcissism as an insult by you is insulting to me and other NPD people" instead of looking for possible angles to attack the user from and instantly calling them a wrecker, just do some self crit, listen to what they have to say, and try not to use it in words in a way that makes them feel unwelcome.
If casual ableism and ableist insults are something the site as a whole wants to discuss, we can do that. I'm sure a lot of people are willing to die on the hill of not doing self-crit for the sake of the ND community, but we could do that.
In the meantime, just don't instantly assume bad faith when talking to users, and if they are talking about ND issues, be willing to listen.
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I don't mean to be combative, but I really don't like this line of thought. You could say the same thing about someone defending themselves after other people refuse to use their neopronouns. Yeah, technically that could be a wrecker trying to paint us as sensitive. But odds are that's a real person, and we'd be horrible allies to leave them out to dry because of the off chance they're trying to get a screen cap that proves something about us. What's the worst it could show about us? That we're open to reconsidering what language we use? That we listen to marginalized people and their experiences?
I think a user of neopronouns would be more sensitive to they/them comrades rather than
cw my read on the transphobic material
Claim it's not a gender at all
I mean the fact that it used neopronouns then denied another set of pronouns as identity is just absolute rank hypocrisy and pretty much indefensible. Again, I said this below, neurodiversity isn't an excuse to be shitty to our trans comrades.
It just seems manifestly bad faith to have a very specific identity and neopronouns then to shit on a large group of our trans comrades.
Fair enough, but then cite this, not unrelated "bad vibes". I know it wasn't you upthread, but it really strikes me the wrong way that some were saying Dronerights was acting like a wrecker because it seemed like a caricature.
Yeah like I'd rather treat an "attack helicopter" wrecker earnestly and then eventually ban them when the mask drops than treat some comrade shittily who earnestly identifies that way.
I'm not trying to start a struggle session, but I wonder if there is a site policy on "race change to another". I'm thinking of the recent QAA pod on it, and while I know we're in neurodiverse, I feel like it's relevant to the conversation about DroneRights coming in with an unfamiliar trans identity (at least as far as it presented itself).
Should we bother with RCTA people or someone who claims they are "transracial" or some shit? Or should we just ban it...
I'm not equipped to comment on this personally, but would rather just have the mods come up with a transparent and proactive policy so expectations are clear and if we as a community determine that's unacceptable we can educate new comrades right away that that shit doesn't (or does, again I'm mostly interested in what our nonwhite comrades think about this rather than my own opinion) fly.
Its commentary on the use of the word made a lot more sense when I read the rest of what they wrote about it. There's such a stigma around narcissistic personality disorder that it's no wonder most with that disorder don't talk about it. I think it was cool to hear from the perspective of an entitiy with NPD. And it is ableist to use a medical condition as a pejorative. It makes sense that it would talk about it as soon as it came up, since it has NPD.
Mods on this site are so fucking gullible. Meanwhile, my masterpieces are gettin' banned because they don't understand what a joke is.
You can be inclusive to xenogenders, or you can preemptively ban anyone that gets close to that. You can't do both at once. I don't see what line it was crossing, and I'm sad to see this attitude.
Let's please respect xenogenders.
I actually think it was sincere. But it also had some extremely spicy takes and I thought there was an approaching ban deadline
Once again, wreckers can be sincere. “Wrecker” doesn’t require intent, only actions
are you saying that good faith, sincere ND users that give people "bad vibes", are confused about leftism but want to learn, and have some reactionary misconceptions should be treated the same as willfully malicious users, or just assumed to be fake users? Because that's gonna exclude a fuck ton of well meaning ND people
A site culture of interpreting questionable posts and arguments in bad faith and then users immediately going on the attack is what drove away the neurodiverse modteam and countless neurodiverse users.
Our sites culture in the first year few years was everyone being agressive and arguing all the time, and people in the ND comm constantly being afraid of being misinterpreted and banned for social mistakes, and concerns from those users were not being listened to the until we got to the point where the ND inclusivety comm lost its moderators and its activity. The method to countering large struggle sessions became locking and removing all discussion about it, instead of dealing with any of the real problems of how users here treat each other