Chomsky whines about the USSR and calls its collapse "a win for the left". Absolutely unbelievable. Of course he has nothing to say about 1993 protests or the fact that the majority of Russians who experienced life in the USSR want it back.

Zizek calls China a "bad model for the left". Of course no actual socialist experiment is ever good enough for the ivory tower intellectual. Even worse, he keeps saying he hopes that China will liberalize its government. So fuck the DotP, lets just give away power to the capitalists, because that is literally what will happen in a liberal democracy, and he knows it.

  • OhWell [he/him]
    24·
    4 years ago

    China is capitalist. I know that's a bitter pill for you all to swallow, but any country who has a rich upper class (and yes, they have billionaires like the US does) and a poor exploited class, is capitalist.

    I think a better question is how come western leftists spend all their time and effort dividing each other up with petty bullshit defending China and other quote on quote "socialist" countries. We should be rallying the working class, instead a vast majority spend all their time talking about how awesome China is when this conversation does absolutely zero to help the average worker and they don't want to hear that bullshit anyway.

    • concessaoprasorrir [he/him]
      4·
      4 years ago

      "hard pill to swallow", "defending china"

      why do you assholes always think we're emotional about china or some bullshit psychology like that

      it's not spending time "defending china", it's actually studying the fucking experiment to see if there's anything worth salvaging for our own synthesis, especially for those of us in the 3rd world

      in fact i've never wished for china to be socialist (and it's actually anti-marxist as fuck to talk about material reality in photographic terms), i was spewing shit china takes like yours left and right until what, earlier this year, when i realized i was completely wrong and had to give in

    • weshallovercum [any]
      5·
      4 years ago

      China's capitalists are actively suppressed and controlled by the state. Reality is far more nuanced than you can imagine. Here's a good article to begin - https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2018/06/07/china-workshop-challenging-the-misconceptions/

      Building socialism in one country is difficult, in a world where capitalist countries rapidly develop and build more and more technologies and methods to outcompete you militarily and economically. In my opinion, the CPC, while it has internal struggles between rightists and leftists, is still firmly on the path to communism.

      I think a better question is how come western leftists spend all their time and effort dividing each other up with petty bullshit defending China and other quote on quote “socialist” countries. We should be rallying the working class, instead a vast majority spend all their time talking about how awesome China is when this conversation does absolutely zero to help the average worker and they don’t want to hear that bullshit anyway.

      You can do both. This seems to me more like you're uncomfortable talking about China.

    • mrbigcheese [he/him]
      5·
      4 years ago

      lol “people spend too much time doing struggle sessions about China”

      starts struggle session on china

      also there are actual criticisms of china but this is just dumb, socialism is a transition, its not a classless society.

      any country who has a rich upper class (and yes, they have billionaires like the US does) and a poor exploited class, is capitalist

      this dumb argument over vernacular is just stupid. grow up

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
      4·
      4 years ago

      The western chauvinists are posting again.