I mean in the last episode of Worst Year Ever he does lay out a really good case for why you shouldn't tell people not to counterprotest and that if fascists are marching, do confront them and overwhelm them with numbers and beat the shit out of them because if left to their own devices they will target people in the vicinity anyway. I think there's slightly more nuance to be had than just "lol he's an op"
He also tells you how to knock down riot cops and stomp them in It Could Happen Here. During the Portland protests he repeatedly said the cops deserve what they get.
I really hope we're not going to draw the line between lib and True Leftist as "they don't openly call for the murder of state officials/cops everyday." If you guys want to join a militia, then do so. But stop expecting everyone with a public livelihood to advocate violence on your behalf.
Riot cops don't uphold American global hegemony, the CIA and military do. Robert Evans literally works for NED (see: US government) funded media outlet Bellingcat.
The US government doesn’t care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies (because they will never happen in this political system) but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn’t actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US. On the contrary, he further reinforces narratives about official enemies of the US and about communists historically like the USSR. He is completely hostile to "tankies".
He's a lib. Yes, he has dumb takes about tankies. But working for Bellingcat doesn't make you a CIA agent. Nor does it mean you're hired by the government to disrupt leftist movements. I've worked for Walmart and Amazon, yet I'm not a capitalist. For one thing, his podcast isn't even close to being popular enough. The CIA would just use Joe Rogan or someone like that. An anarchist in ohio isn't "carrying out imperialism" on behalf of the US government for being wrong about tankies. This is hysteria, not insight.
Second, this is unfalsifiable. The claim is that he doesn't suggest violence and when we say he does it's not the right kind of violence. There's literally nothing he could do to not be an op. If he came out tomorrow and told people to murder their governor you'd call it an op because it's going to get leftist arrested. This is why you don't base your analysis of the world on twitter screenshots and shitposts on chapo.chat or r/cth.
Robert isn’t actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US.
Literally no podcast does. They're podcasts. Not your personal army or vanguard party. Chapo is libs (and an op because Will's grandad was a communist informer). TrueAnon is an op (Brace worked for the government and carried out US policy goals). Everyone is an op. No podcast is going to lead the revolution for you. You're just mad because he works for Bellingcat and you saw some bad twitter takes. Being wrong doesn't make you an op.
But working for Bellingcat doesn’t make you a CIA agent
A truly socialist take of "being paid by the government doesn't mean you work for the government"
I’ve worked for Walmart and Amazon, yet I’m not a capitalist.
But do you currently work in public relations or marketing at Walmart?
Literally no podcast does. They’re podcasts. Not your personal army or vanguard party.
Absolutely true. I haven't listened to Robert Evans' podcast or whatever, but podcasts like Citations Needed are good in that they are explicitly about changing your beliefs about the US to "deprogram" people of dominant narratives, which is useful even for people already on the left.
One thing is certain, if your work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, you are not doing any good work.
Working for the government doesn't mean you agree with the government. And working for a private company that receives grants is not working for the government. Tons of companies receive grants and funding. Stop being obtuse.
Absolutely true. I haven’t listened to Robert Evans’ podcast or whatever
"I've never heard anything the guy said other than the tweets people get mad over." is peak internetbrain.
One thing is certain, if your work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, you are not doing any good work.
He writes articles sometimes, for a company that he only started working for in the past few years , that gets funding. You're trying to equate this with his entire body of work (podcasts, tweets, books, etc) being funded by NED and carrying out its goals. This is beyond intellectually sloppy. His earlier articles were in 2018, before he was brought on as an actual employee, and they were on the Christchurch shooting and right wing shit. Before that he was already working on BTB and he had done his investigative stuff in Syria and the Ukraine.
Tons of companies receive grants and funding. Stop being obtuse.
From regime change tools? Stop being obtuse. You are literally defending a guy who gets money DIRECTLY FROM A REGIME CHANGE CUTOUT OF THE US GOVERNMENT.
I'm defending a guy who started writing articles for a company in the past two years, while having an entire body of work outside of that company. Have you even read his stuff for bellingcat or do you pride yourself in being uninformed because how dare someone suggest you read something from THE REGIME CHANGE GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA CIA ABCE NFSD QRST?! Do you really think if you just stand there, mouth agape, and act incredulous you can get out of learning things?
I mean the ruling class is not only interested in keeping the peace. Sometimes street violence serves their interests, and I think his purpose is less about preventing the left from punching chuds and more about steering the left away from threatening ideology, and thus in turn threatening praxis.
And I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a nuanced take about someone who works for an NED-funded rag and tells the "radical left" to hate all of the US's adversaries and do ineffective decentralized/horizontal organization.
The US government doesn't care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies, because they will never happen in this political system, but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn't actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US.
The US government is white supremacist. It's chocked with racial supremacists. Racial supremacy and capitalism go together. Fighting white supremacy is fighting cops, fighting cops is fighting the state. The state is white supremacist. You can't pretend that fighting cops doesn't matter only the military. The cops are domestic military at this point. What kind of state is okay with anarchists fighting cops? Anarchy isn't a challenge to capital? I'm not an anarchist and I know we like to have our sectarian shitfights. But this is just silly. I hate to be rude, but you copy/pasted this comment at me so I assume you think it's particularly good.
but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism.
"Guy having bad takes on twitter turns leftists into useful tools of imperialism" Pure ideology. Please don't tell me you go around saying how much of a ML you are and how everyone who isn't is a lib op while saying shit like the above.
He can't be an op, he tells leftists to buy heckin gunarinos that's how you know he's an epic radical
I mean in the last episode of Worst Year Ever he does lay out a really good case for why you shouldn't tell people not to counterprotest and that if fascists are marching, do confront them and overwhelm them with numbers and beat the shit out of them because if left to their own devices they will target people in the vicinity anyway. I think there's slightly more nuance to be had than just "lol he's an op"
He also tells you how to knock down riot cops and stomp them in It Could Happen Here. During the Portland protests he repeatedly said the cops deserve what they get.
I really hope we're not going to draw the line between lib and True Leftist as "they don't openly call for the murder of state officials/cops everyday." If you guys want to join a militia, then do so. But stop expecting everyone with a public livelihood to advocate violence on your behalf.
Riot cops don't uphold American global hegemony, the CIA and military do. Robert Evans literally works for NED (see: US government) funded media outlet Bellingcat.
The US government doesn’t care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies (because they will never happen in this political system) but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn’t actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US. On the contrary, he further reinforces narratives about official enemies of the US and about communists historically like the USSR. He is completely hostile to "tankies".
He's a lib. Yes, he has dumb takes about tankies. But working for Bellingcat doesn't make you a CIA agent. Nor does it mean you're hired by the government to disrupt leftist movements. I've worked for Walmart and Amazon, yet I'm not a capitalist. For one thing, his podcast isn't even close to being popular enough. The CIA would just use Joe Rogan or someone like that. An anarchist in ohio isn't "carrying out imperialism" on behalf of the US government for being wrong about tankies. This is hysteria, not insight.
Second, this is unfalsifiable. The claim is that he doesn't suggest violence and when we say he does it's not the right kind of violence. There's literally nothing he could do to not be an op. If he came out tomorrow and told people to murder their governor you'd call it an op because it's going to get leftist arrested. This is why you don't base your analysis of the world on twitter screenshots and shitposts on chapo.chat or r/cth.
Literally no podcast does. They're podcasts. Not your personal army or vanguard party. Chapo is libs (and an op because Will's grandad was a communist informer). TrueAnon is an op (Brace worked for the government and carried out US policy goals). Everyone is an op. No podcast is going to lead the revolution for you. You're just mad because he works for Bellingcat and you saw some bad twitter takes. Being wrong doesn't make you an op.
A truly socialist take of "being paid by the government doesn't mean you work for the government"
But do you currently work in public relations or marketing at Walmart?
Absolutely true. I haven't listened to Robert Evans' podcast or whatever, but podcasts like Citations Needed are good in that they are explicitly about changing your beliefs about the US to "deprogram" people of dominant narratives, which is useful even for people already on the left.
One thing is certain, if your work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, you are not doing any good work.
Working for the government doesn't mean you agree with the government. And working for a private company that receives grants is not working for the government. Tons of companies receive grants and funding. Stop being obtuse.
"I've never heard anything the guy said other than the tweets people get mad over." is peak internetbrain.
He writes articles sometimes, for a company that he only started working for in the past few years , that gets funding. You're trying to equate this with his entire body of work (podcasts, tweets, books, etc) being funded by NED and carrying out its goals. This is beyond intellectually sloppy. His earlier articles were in 2018, before he was brought on as an actual employee, and they were on the Christchurch shooting and right wing shit. Before that he was already working on BTB and he had done his investigative stuff in Syria and the Ukraine.
From regime change tools? Stop being obtuse. You are literally defending a guy who gets money DIRECTLY FROM A REGIME CHANGE CUTOUT OF THE US GOVERNMENT.
I'm defending a guy who started writing articles for a company in the past two years, while having an entire body of work outside of that company. Have you even read his stuff for bellingcat or do you pride yourself in being uninformed because how dare someone suggest you read something from THE REGIME CHANGE GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA CIA ABCE NFSD QRST?! Do you really think if you just stand there, mouth agape, and act incredulous you can get out of learning things?
I see no reason why an op wouldn't say that
So he's an op when he's against violence, but also an op when he's for it?
"There's slightly more nuance here" seems right.
I mean the ruling class is not only interested in keeping the peace. Sometimes street violence serves their interests, and I think his purpose is less about preventing the left from punching chuds and more about steering the left away from threatening ideology, and thus in turn threatening praxis.
And I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a nuanced take about someone who works for an NED-funded rag and tells the "radical left" to hate all of the US's adversaries and do ineffective decentralized/horizontal organization.
The US government doesn't care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies, because they will never happen in this political system, but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn't actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US.
The US government is white supremacist. It's chocked with racial supremacists. Racial supremacy and capitalism go together. Fighting white supremacy is fighting cops, fighting cops is fighting the state. The state is white supremacist. You can't pretend that fighting cops doesn't matter only the military. The cops are domestic military at this point. What kind of state is okay with anarchists fighting cops? Anarchy isn't a challenge to capital? I'm not an anarchist and I know we like to have our sectarian shitfights. But this is just silly. I hate to be rude, but you copy/pasted this comment at me so I assume you think it's particularly good.
"Guy having bad takes on twitter turns leftists into useful tools of imperialism" Pure ideology. Please don't tell me you go around saying how much of a ML you are and how everyone who isn't is a lib op while saying shit like the above.
sure he buys into what ever the State Department says, but lets ignore that